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2009-09-28, 11:19 | Link #242 |
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Taking extra damage is a negative modifer in itself, but overall the darkness fruit provides Blackbeard with more advantages than it does drawbacks, and therefore it would be considered a positive stat modifier in the end.
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2009-09-28, 11:54 | Link #243 | |
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Example: Let's take AoKige (the ice fruit guy, can't recall the speling). Assuming with Haki you can touch him, but that doesn't stop him from instantly freezing and thereby disabling your hands which you used to touch him. As compared to the darkness fruit where you touch him and he is unable to use his powers to freeze you. That addresses your question on whether there's a difference? Just because you can touch some one doesn't mean that person's abilities cannot hurt you. And we're haven't factored in the part on creating black holes. |
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2009-09-28, 12:48 | Link #244 |
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Sorry, still don't see the big difference. I understand what you guys are saying, but based on what we've seen out of Blackbeard, what do you think he's going to do when he captures you with that ability, he's going to hit you with some kind of physical attack. Which is essentially the same thing as what a person with haki would do. It's not like a dragon that shoots exploding marshmallows is going to come out and devour his opponent for an instant kill, he's just going to do the same thing a person with haki would do, only easier. Yes, I understand that if you absorb their abilities they won't be able to counterattack, but that's only provided that he captures you first. Ace understood after the first time he got caught that as long as he doesn't get caught again it can't hurt him, and from that moment forward Blackbeard had a great amount of difficulty catching him (and yes, I do realize we didn't see the entire fight).
Sure one is more convenient than the other but the end result is the same, so are they really that different IMO, no.
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2009-09-28, 13:19 | Link #245 | |
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Long range fighters have a chance at this, but close range fighters will find it impossible to escape his attacks |
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2009-09-28, 13:49 | Link #246 | |
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2009-09-28, 14:39 | Link #247 |
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At close combat:
1. Even with haki opponents, Logia users still have the advantage of flexibility and mobility. With Blackbeard, there will be no fly, no absurd evasion. 2. Depends on the quality of Haki, the physical attack may result in different damage. We dont know how it works yet. Blackbeard alway deals full physical damage. 3. When against BB, Logia users cannot use their skill up close to boost their attack power. It will be pure physical contest only. Which Blackbeard triumphs. Yet Blackbeard can still uses AoE attacks against his opponents. |
2009-09-28, 14:44 | Link #248 |
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You cannot separately examine those cases. Blackbeard is using that ability, but the only reason he was able to use it is thanks to his devil fruit ability. Without it, if the logia user can take care of his opponent without coming in contact with his opponent, then the haki similarity will only stay as a haki similarity. Because, unlike a real haki user, who may defend against such logia attacks without coming in contact with the enemy, Blackbeard would have to offer his body to them. Blackbeard's ability becomes complete when he can use both at the same time, the sucking power and the suppressing power.
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2009-09-28, 14:52 | Link #249 |
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I've said this quite a while ago, but I think the reason that Blackbeard chose to acquire that specific Devil Fruit power was so that he'd have a fighting chance against not only other DF users, but those who use Haki as well. Remember what he told Ace about his power? He said that his darkness can absorb anything. I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume that his darkness can absorb "willpower", as well. I mean, if Kuma was able to remove Luffy's pain and fatigue with his paw fruit power, who's to say that Blackbeard can't suck up a person's Haki with his darkness? That would truly make him one of the most dangerous characters in the series.......
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2009-09-28, 15:06 | Link #250 | |
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Sorry, I'd love to comment on the rest of your post but I didn't understand most of it.
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2009-09-28, 15:13 | Link #251 | |
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You are making it sound as if Blackbeard didn't have that strength before he obtained the devil fruit ability. He was already strong enough, and strong enough to be considered as a power easily above Ace, and almost the same level as Shanks, without the devil fruit ability taken into account. And we already know Shanks is a very powerful Haki user and Ace is a very powerful Logia user. I highly doubt Shanks made comments about Blackbeard without taking those into account. |
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Okay let find out what Haki is before coming up with crazy ideas. BB got his DF for many reason Cancel devil DF powers To make people fight in close combat To suck in Other DF powers He also belives that people depend to much on there DF and are not strong Quote:
Take kizaru light beam attack would be useless vs BB he just absorb them . When dark king use his sword to cut kizaru he made a beam sword to fight back. That would be useless vs BB cause he just suck him in with his hand and attack him. taking away his power plus it close combat he can hit and suck back in for another hit . Last edited by andy; 2009-09-28 at 15:40. |
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2009-09-28, 15:45 | Link #253 | |
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Actually, after rereading my post, I agree that I didn't phrase it properly. Of course I'm aware that Blackbeard was already a huge threat from the get-go (after all, we even had Jinbei telling Luffy at Impel Down that Teach was always a suspicious character when he was still part of Whitebead's crew). Still, I guess I just meant to say that he chose to eat that particular DF to give himself more of an "edge" over those opponents he would consider to be most troublesome..... Still, even putting his DF power aside, he has another powerful ally that not many people are taking into account: Fate. No matter what happens to him, he'll survive to persist in his grand schemes..... at least, up until his final encounter with Luffy, anyway. Like Van Auger said, there's no such thing as "coincidence"...... |
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2009-09-28, 15:49 | Link #254 | |
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Still, it is an interesting idea, and it adds far greater importance to Luffy's King's Haki. |
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2009-09-28, 16:32 | Link #257 |
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[QUOTE=cheese4u;2671059]Uhhh...maybe, but as I recall Ace really isn't that fast, during that entire fight he didn't do anything that would make me believe that BB had to use that ability to catch him
That was a physical attack, there nothing to prove that she would have hit back logia powers . Plus when luffy hit her hard she bounce back what stopping a ice spear or a beam going right threw her.Plus when luffy got a hit on BB in chapter 544 when he was fly back he was able to pull luffy clsoer to him to get a free hit.Luffy was also in gear 2 and he could not escape. |
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By the way, I believe that next chapter we'll finally reach Zoro's ministory! Seeing as this is (presumably) the last of the Straw-Hat ministories, it should be quite interesting, indeed. Heh, I really can't help but wonder what sort of humiliation Perona might be putting poor Zoro through.....
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2009-09-28, 18:05 | Link #260 | |
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Edge is a better term to use, whether it is used for him or his opponents. That ability allows him to break the tie in addition to preventing his opponent to escape him. |
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