Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

About the new opening, I have a feeling that Nanoha might or might not be able to save Vivio...if you see in the new opening, it seems that Vivio is being carried off somewhere and when both tried to reach hands, they didn't make contact...and from what I've been hearing, Dr.Scaglietti is planning to make Vivio his test puppet and start experimenting different relics on her.

Other than that, Fate was really tearing Scaglietti's lab up in the new opening...and with Zamber form!
Everyone has that worried look on their faces in this new opening. I guess because this will eventually turn out to be an all out battle between them.
Carim is shown in the new opening, but Chrono isn't...and after all those visits to her place also.

EDIT: With Chrono out of the new opening, I wonder if he'll even part take in the upcoming battle...unless he just stays in his ship. And whose that new person taking control of Storm Raider?
BTW, this opening has great animations and it also shows a lot of emotions.

[Flar]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Vivio : You seem to be mistaken. I have not forgotten anything, our promise, the caramel milk, yubikiri... everything is clear to me. I merely awakened to my true self. So if you ask me to open my eyes, this is who I really am.

And now it makes sense, Vivio is actually an artillery-type peacemaker, Subaru and Ginga are dragoons, and Nanoha is a providence-breaker.


So anyway, considering the ep 19 preview, that will make 15 episodes out of 19 devoted to training or talk, and even with that, the antagonists are less developped than A's knights were. I hope they pull themselves together for the ending, or it will be a huge disappointment. I already cringe thinking about how much time Vice took on screen for nothing in the end.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

About the new opening, I have a feeling that Nanoha might or might not be able to save Vivio...if you see in the new opening, it seems that Vivio is being carried off somewhere and when both tried to reach hands, they didn't make contact...and from what I've been hearing, Dr.Scaglietti is planning to make Vivio his test puppet and start experimenting different relics on her.

Other than that, Fate was really tearing Scaglietti's lab up in the new opening...and with Zamber form!
Everyone has that worried look on their faces in this new opening. I guess because this will eventually turn out to be an all out battle between them.
Carim is shown in the new opening, but Chrono isn't...and after all those visits to her place also.

Don' take the OP too seriously on the kind of tone they're heading to. It's all dramatics. Since the song leans towards a more 'emo-serious' tone, it's only natural that the frames show the same.

Still, honestly, I have little hopes in Vivio surviving. Fate had her emo moment with Precia's..."journey to Al-Hazard/no thanks emo" in S1, Hayate had "Reinforcemo" in A'a, I'm thinking it's now Nanoha's turn with ViviEMo...

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05;1067996[B

EDIT:[/B] With Chrono out of the new opening, I wonder if he'll even part take in the upcoming battle...unless he just stays in his ship. And whose that new person taking control of Storm Raider?
BTW, this opening has great animations and it also shows a lot of emotions.

It's Alto, the bridge bunny.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Don' take the OP too seriously on the kind of tone they're heading to. It's all dramatics. Since the song leans towards a more 'emo-serious' tone, it's only natural that the frames show the same.

Still, honestly, I have little hopes in Vivio surviving. Fate had her emo moment with Precia's..."journey to Al-Hazard/no thanks emo" in S1, Hayate had "Reinforcemo" in A'a, I'm thinking it's now Nanoha's turn with ViviEMo...



It's Alto, the bridge bunny.

Yea I guess, but the opening is so convincing...although I would have to agree that Vivio's chances of even surviving are kind of slim...especially with Scaglietti's little experiment that involves her. But judging from whatever might happen in the future episodes, I am sure that Nanoha will do ANYTHING to save Vivio and probably "befriend" anyone who gets in her way.
Alto huh...who is she? Is she Vice's sister or just someone who is second in command to take over Vice's job if anything happens to him?
bridge bunny...heh, what does that mean?

[Guppy]

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

Phalanx Shift is only AAA+ (Heavy Barrel is S), and blocking it severely drained her energy (as per the Nanoha light novel).

If we use that as a guide, then it should take an SS-class attack to similarly drain the current Nanoha's defences after her limiter is released.

We also need to take into account how much Raising Heart boosts Nanoha's basic abilities, though. Before the cartridge system upgrade, Graf Eisen easily smashed Nanoha's Protection; after it, Protection+ stopped Vita cold.

[Nemesis]

Sigh....so much talking episodes ,this may not be enough time to reveal the client.

[Key Board]

I am rather confident that Chrono will lend help in the final episodes at the very least

I'm quite sure they're not giving him this much screen time just to have an affair with Carim (use protection this time, dude!) and to authorize Hayate's AOE spells

[Nemesis]

Anyone have pictures of the preview?

ps.im starting to wonder if The Triad was right about the series was going to suck.Maybe they were right in the sense that the series will fail to end it well.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Originally Posted by Adr 00

Anyone have pictures of the preview?

ps.im starting to wonder if The Triad was right about the series was going to suck.Maybe they were right in the sense that the series will fail to end it well.

don't worry too much about it.
sure theres only 8 more episodes left, but I think the writers and producers, let alone the director, knows how this season will end.
Triad was stupid to judge the show in only its first episode.
I know theres training again in the next episode, but they may surprise us all.

[Key Board]

Bah, I like it much better than the first season already, and it has the potential to top A's

my only complaint is a few exposition episodes could have been fused into one episode instead of taking two

that, and there's too much Nanoha and not enough of Hayate, and Wolkenritter

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Key Board

I am rather confident that Chrono will lend help in the final episodes at the very least

I'm quite sure they're not giving him this much screen time just to have an affair with Carim (use protection this time, dude!) and to authorize Hayate's AOE spells

I said the same thing about Vice, and lookie here, 5-seconds backstory + out-of-show-injury.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

don't worry too much about it.
sure theres only 8 more episodes left, but I think the writers and producers, let alone the director, knows how this season will end.
Triad was stupid to judge the show in only its first episode.
I know theres training again in the next episode, but they may surprise us all.

Suprise us with what?Please,at this point the subplots have to dealt with fast.There's no time for random things like a Beserk Erio happening now!

[Key Board]

Vice probably has one more potential thing to do:

1) backstory with a certain number (hey, who knows?)
2) connection to Teana's brother (maybe)
3) entrust something to Teana. maybe his old device or an advice, yadda yadda

but yeah, I think he's knocked out until the last episodes

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Ultima_Rasengan05

Alto huh...who is she? Is she Vice's sister or just someone who is second in command to take over Vice's job if anything happens to him?
bridge bunny...heh, what does that mean?

I'm not sure if I can describe it properly, but a bridge bunny is more or less someone who works only in a control room or something similar... Basically not a field operative.

Alto is one of the 3 girls who are RF6's 'operators' as Hayate calls them. She's the tan/brown haired girl.

Apparently she has a thing for Vice, but that's only 'explored' in the manga and Sound Stage.

Originally Posted by Key Board

I am rather confident that Chrono will lend help in the final episodes at the very least

That's rather vague

Originally Posted by Key Board

I'm quite sure they're not giving him this much screen time just to have an affair with Carim (use protection this time, dude!) and to authorize Hayate's AOE spells

Who knows...

Though if I were to be honest, that development would be enough for me... But if I were to be very very honest, I really want to see Durandal again!

[Aaron008R]

Originally Posted by Guppy

Unfortunately, I think that's probably close to the truth. Hayate herself has indicated several times now that she hasn't got the accuracy and control that is Nanoha's (and to a lesser extent, Fate's) hallmark. That being the case, she pretty much has to use overpowered attacks where it doesn't matter if she doesn't get a direct hit.

Of course, it may be a different story when Hayate unites with Rein, who can then take over the job of targeting, but I very much doubt that Hayate is going to switch styles dramatically when she enters Unison Mode. The best we could probably hope for is that she can launch massive precision multiple-target attacks like a boosted version of Nanoha.

Hopefully, they'll clear up this matter near the end. It's also important to the OC thread to know. Of course, count in Nanoha and Fate as well.

I wonder how much Hayate's development as a mage was affected by the fact that she's always had the Wolkenritter with her? I'd expect Signum and Vita in particular to be horrified at the prospect of Hayate actually going hand-to-hand with anyone, so her close-in melee and evasion skills might well have suffered from lack of real-world experience.

Signum and Vita? Nah, I don't think so. That would be too imprudent. Hayate certainly took a lot of time in missions separate from the Wolkenritter during the ten year gap. It's imperative that she at least could survive a melee attack. If not, she won't even qualify for such a high rank. There are mage tests against other mages, right?

Originally Posted by Burner of Anime

Oddly enough, she should be able to mimic the melee spells of her knights + Fate/Nanoha. The question is wheter or not she is trained to use them Then again, there isn't much subtlety in smacking someone with a giant hammer if they get too close That, or we get to see Diabolic Emmission again

I'm no longer so sure about that now that Rein1 is gone. Her spell list might have been rewritten with only Ancient Belka spells intact in the beginning.

I rather favour Teana coming ahead in any engagement she's in. Despite lacking in mobility, I'd rate her command skills and general sneakiness ahead of any of the Numbers. Even if the Dr does the long overdue sensor upgrade [I swear, if they fall for the same trick another time ] to negate her stealth and decoy, the homing AP bullet is not something to ignore. She is deficient in melee considering her specialisation- which is where the power hatchets come in Best chance, phase in the moment she slips and just "remove" her from combat.

Well, she is supposed to be very versatile once she gets to master Cross Mirage. She's gunning for being an Enforcer after all.

Subaru, her opposite I can only describe as a walking cliche now. Scary should any of them kick in. Probably the only way for the Numbers to stop her is a massed melee attack, or a really good ranged one. Either is difficult, especially if Teana is around in an anti-missile capacity Get rid of Teana and it'll be a little bit easier. How much is entirely dependent on the resources committed to taking down a berserk cyborg with some really haxx boosts.

Makes sense. i wouldn't want to be anywhere her 'break everything' punches.

Signum vs Zest: Amazingly enough, I don't know who will come ahead in this one. Signum has been rare in cartridge use, things die/critically hurt when she does . Zest smacked off Vita [which is no small feat] although the cost to self was considerable. Funny thing for them to cancel themselves out

Hopefully, a double-Unison mode fight will entail again. But I'm not really too confident on the result either.

Originally Posted by arkhangelsk

The really sad thing is that so far she isn't even that good a commander (see all my comments in the Ep17 thread). To be fair, all indications suggest that this has to do with the low level of officer training (one cannot expect much of three-month training that can be passed by 8-9 year olds, even if we assume they had IQs of 200!) in the TASB, but that still doesn't fully exonerate her, since she's a Terran and has easy access to the much wider range of material on the Art of War that's available on Earth (we are such a warmonging people).

I do agree with you in some points. Any failure in the military always entails a certain level of incompetence in the losing side. In this case, the entire force of TSAB in that area has shown such level of imprudence to a certain extent. Quite honestly, the episode 17 arrangements were downright perfect to take advantage of, regardless of prior info or not. And the way they addressed the problem did make me cringe a bit. However, I attribute this usually as just a plot device and lack of insight of the production team about high-end military tactics. We wouldn't be able to get the Arthra without good old Plotonium bombs. Nothing's perfect really. But I guess it must be really quite fun to point out the what-if's, huh?

Originally Posted by Burner of Anime

I wonder if the same principles that allow Nanoha to execute SLB will also work for a hardened shield. It may explain why the longer she fights, the more difficult it becomes to overcome her defences [unless broken by a cartridge boosted attack ]. Pure speculation, but she's the the devil for real if it's true.

Collection-type defense? I'm not sure...

Originally Posted by Flar

So anyway, considering the ep 19 preview, that will make 15 episodes out of 19 devoted to training or talk, and even with that, the antagonists are less developped than A's knights were. I hope they pull themselves together for the ending, or it will be a huge disappointment. I already cringe thinking about how much time Vice took on screen for nothing in the end.

Nah, he'll a have a chance to redeem himself... Maybe for a few seconds.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Don' take the OP too seriously on the kind of tone they're heading to. It's all dramatics. Since the song leans towards a more 'emo-serious' tone, it's only natural that the frames show the same.

Still, honestly, I have little hopes in Vivio surviving. Fate had her emo moment with Precia's..."journey to Al-Hazard/no thanks emo" in S1, Hayate had "Reinforcemo" in A'a, I'm thinking it's now Nanoha's turn with ViviEMo...

Agreed there. It's about time Nanoha got some really uncertain moments from the Nanoha series.

Originally Posted by Adr 00

ps.im starting to wonder if The Triad was right about the series was going to suck.Maybe they were right in the sense that the series will fail to end it well.

Nah. Don't be too paranoid. The show ain't over till it's over. We'll be the judge of StrikerS once it finishes. I plan to stick till the end.

Originally Posted by Key Board

Bah, I like it much better than the first season already, and it has the potential to top A's

Agreed.

that, and there's too much Nanoha and not enough of Hayate, and Wolkenritter

Also agreed.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Fate was lucky (In that sense), the magic that had killed Alicia gave her her magic potential.

Project F doesn't make super soldiers.

And yet they all turn out to be super soldiers...

Coincidence?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Keroko

And yet they all turn out to be super soldiers...

Coincidence?

Well, we're not even sure what Vivio really is originally, or what she's truely capable of to begin with.

And in terms of combat, Erio isn't very 'super'. (Though in other places....)

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Keroko

And yet they all turn out to be super soldiers...

Coincidence?

Erio isnt one.

ps.As much as i want Erio to go beserk,but sadly, it may not happen.

[aers]

that, and there's too much Nanoha and not enough of Hayate, and Wolkenritter

She's the titular character, there's still less of her then the new characters, and you're complaining that she's stealing Hayate and the Wolkenritter's screentime..?

[FlareKnight]

Yeah Erio certainly isn't a super soldier, though here's hoping he can at least hit a reasonable level. Certainly next episode it doesn't seem like Signum will be teaching using Strada's modes in the sky. Seems more like a lesson in close combat with the blades. Though I think the boosters could still have their uses. Go for an overhead slash then kick in the booster to really add some bite to it. Have fun blocking that one .

I hope Chrono will get some time in the battles. While it could just end with him sitting on the bridge. I'm sure he's still got the ability to fly out there and launch some attacks to help out.

In terms of Hayate I think Rein will be hanging with her. Since she did say her accuracy is limited without her around. While I'm sure another Agito vs Rein thing would be interesting think this time Hayate will be getting the unison. With Carim still having a limiter release it's pointing to Hayate blasting some enemies to hell. I'm pretty confident Signum is capable of handling Zest/Agito unison by herself.