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Sure, that's a big stretch for a theory, but my point here is that Athena's loss of power is not limited to it having been transferred to someone. Yes, she said that much. She also said Hayate's body had a deep wound, that being the reason why Hayate couldn't use much of the potential of his body.
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2009-09-12, 01:57 | Link #2642 | |
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Isumi: "As a trade-off, though, the user becomes very emotional. But she looked like had control of herself, so she should be fine." Masamune causes people to become more emotional than usual, so this lowered Hina's violence threshold, contributing to her attacking him. If your point is that the intention to attack Hayate was latent within Hina, I have no problem with that. She was very disappointed and angry, and to her, Hayate came for a duel. Quote:
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You seem to think that Hayate did such a terrible thing to her that she's entitled to shishkebob him. I don't. Both Hina and Athena are entitled to feel anger and disappointment, both attack him, but one girl gets a grip on herself again even AGAINST the effect of Masamune, and the other one doesn't. Maybe if the story unveils some more compelling reason for Athena to tilt like that, I'll feel more sympathetic to her. Until then, I see no reason not to compare the anger management of Hina and Athena. There is a difference in magnitude of the resulting anger, yes, but no difference in magnitude of the cause. Quote:
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2009-09-12, 02:45 | Link #2644 |
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One spoiler pic of 241
Sorry if it has been post.
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2009-09-12, 02:55 | Link #2645 | |
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As for Athena and Hina trying to slash Hayate, I think none of them had a good justification to do that. Whether he was too naive to still believe his parents, or whether he forgot a date are no justifications to do so.
As for Hina stopping and Athena not doing so, the situations were different I'd say. Hina's feelings were hurt for sure, but in her situation it was mostly disappointment. In Athena's case, we do not know exactly what was going through her head. She seems to have an issue with parents and betrayal, and on top of that, Hayate then said something completely stupid. I don't think the fact she didn't stop the fight should have come as a surprise. If Hayate would hurt Hina's feelings in a similar way, I'm sure she'd get as angry at him as Athena did. So, comparing different situations won't show anything. This is just my 2 cents on this matter. Quote:
We'll have to see what exactly happened, because we have no leads to form an actual theory.
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2009-09-12, 03:00 | Link #2646 | |
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Looks like Machina does not hold back anymore :<
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Athena's method may be wrong, but her SUFFERING, ANGER, and PAIN is MUCH WORST than Hina. Not outrageous, are you kidding me? Mentar, just hope for Hina to become atleast Hayate's "lover" and something like that happen, then compare. Quote:
Hina attacked Hayate before the Masamune effects even started, that means ITS HER ANGER that made her attack him. The Masamune made her can't control her emotion, made her more emotional which she speak of her inner most feelings when she doe not want to. IT DID NOT make Hina becomes angry nor give her the desired to attack him. It made her more emotional as a woman which expressed her desired. There is a BIG DIFFERENT magnitude concerning their anger and suffering, unless you are too blind to see. Quote:
Uhm, did Athena really tried to slash Hayate with the sword, or to kill him? She was attacking him with the sword, but did she really aimed for him? She had trained him without hurting him with real swords, did she not? When he thinks she tried to kill him, it can be his hallucination with her fearful "aura" like when he first tried to open the coffin, right? At the end, when the sword broke, do you think Hayate was trying to kill Athena even though he went all out? She was forceful and harsh, sadden and fill with anger, but did she really desired to harm Hayate with a sword? Because if she did, her power in the RG will be more than enough to annihilate him with swords appear everywhere with just a flick of a finger. Last edited by zodanhko; 2009-09-12 at 03:49. |
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2009-09-12, 04:12 | Link #2649 |
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Thanks for the spoiler pic even though its just one its plenty meaningful. Its devastating.
Machina doesn't even hold back a bit and hayate is getting pawned. PRETTY GOOD! FOR HIM BAKA BUTLER! BUT STILL FIGHT A LITTLE BETTER FOR A-TAN!. |
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@Rah - Lol that was a good laugh Anyone by the way having memories of this Quote:
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2009-09-12, 06:57 | Link #2653 |
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I think you guys are taking what I said a little too far...again. I'm not saying that the situation is the same between the two girls, I was merely drawing a parallel between their relationships to Hayate. To put it another way...Hinagiku was mad at Hayate enough to hurt him (doesn't matter why or the 'magnitdue' stop adding arguments please) and her strikes looked like they might have killed a normal person. She then managed to regain her self control, but it wasn't over yet, she knew that if she didn't do something then she would lose though she didn't know what (I'm guessing it was her chance at a relationship with Hayate). Once they stopped fighting, Hina was able to turn that near disaster into the single most romantic scene of the entire manga. Athena was also angry enough to attack Hayate (once again, it doesn't matter why stop comparing directly) and once again he may have been seriously hurt to say the least. However, Athena was consumed by her anger and kept attacking until their weapons broke, turning that complete disaster into the single most tragic scene of the manga.
Also, the demon bit only referred to the giant skeleton-thing that appeared during Hayate's fight with Athena, it sort of gets replaced with Masamune during Hinagiku's fight scene. I am going to have to agree, however, that Athena was trying to pretty much kill Hayate and could probably use a head-examination as she apparently also wanted to protect him. This could be why TVTropes officially lists Athena as a yandere on the shows page. As for this news of a potentially lethal battle with Machina, I get the feeling that our idiot butler (no, not Hayate) will probably try and offer Athena Hayate's blood from a near-death state thinking that it may restore her powers...it would even be kind of funny to see, though I still feel really bad for Hayate, poor bastard. I can also see him making his way home eventually (unless he isn't going to return home that night and worry everyone) and explain to Hina that he went to do as she suggested only to nearly get killed, though he may give up on Athena and Hinagiku will probably have a REALLY low opinion of her now (as she also knows that Athena is the witch, or queen of evil [heard that mentioned on Hata's blog too, huh] that warped Hayate so badly, hell once the other love interests hear that it'll be a revenge team up or something). Well, the spoilers are at least giving us all something to talk about, can't wait till Wednesday! |
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well she does certainly meet a few of the criteria for 'yandere' lol but its hard to say for me its a semi toss up... But I agree overall with your post though I am not convinced she was truly trying to kill him... though I am convinced if the final blows if landed and whos ever landed the other other would have died as they were strong enough to break the swords into pieces.
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2009-09-12, 09:44 | Link #2655 | |
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(deleted).............because will make Hina fans goes rage.........(deleted) oh! sorry, I didn't see that Hina Flag above your head and Flyvedelta? Thank you for the spoiler pic, Hayate cough blood...hmm...I think it's good if Hate-sensei get one too *opened and re-read Guidebook for Hitman "1001 technique to kill human" vol2 * *found it: "How to make victim received very painful death" sub "Cough blood"* but it's good pic...I pity Hayate but strangely feel joy when I see him in pain, may be it's because I didn't kill anyone for a long time? (only cockroaches and rat dare to come near me) |
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2009-09-12, 09:51 | Link #2656 |
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I'm not the one who put the spoiler pic though
Got to agree that it looks painful o.o I think this is the first time I've seen Hayate cough up blood seriously like that o.o; Maybe I miss some parts...but, I think it's more comedy than serious feeling on it.
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2009-09-12, 10:07 | Link #2658 | |
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2009-09-12, 10:32 | Link #2659 | |
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Hayate is getting some sense beaten into him, finally. Looks like he really is going to have to try his best to stop Machina. |
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2009-09-12, 10:46 | Link #2660 | |
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even if in the end neither will win
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