2009-10-31, 11:12 | Link #2762 |
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About how to get in an unknown person X on Rokkenjima, I lay down the following theory:
After the first six people is killed at the first twilight in every game, an unknown person X can sneek onto the island and it will still satisfy the condition of less than 17 people (18 with Erika) existing on the island at the same time. This will explain most incidents because the person X can be anywhere and do anything. |
2009-10-31, 11:20 | Link #2763 | |
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I cast this theory away long time ago. |
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2009-10-31, 11:38 | Link #2764 | |
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Dead people does not count as still existing on the island because Beatrice said Kinzo is already dead at the starting time of all games. By now I have proclaimed that no more than 18 humans exist on this island. I will lower that by one for Kinzo. No more than 17 humans exist on the island. This applies to all games. However Kinzo's corpse is still on the island. In short, when people die, they cease to exist and my theory is possible. This can also satisfy Knox rules which say that a killer has to be someone already introduced by claiming that the mastermind is one of the original 18 or that the killers coming onto the island is someone who is namedropped, but haven't appeared or someone from outside the island, but we still know about. Anyone from the world of 1998 would fit in that description and so would the two servants we have heard about, but haven't seen yet. |
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2009-10-31, 12:11 | Link #2768 | |
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However someone among the 18 we know most likely has it planned beforehand and the person X is just an accomplice in order to fool people into thinking that the witch is the murderer. This is because someone has to kill the first 6 while there is no person X on the island. Hopefully that made sense xD. |
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2009-10-31, 12:28 | Link #2769 | |
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2009-10-31, 12:31 | Link #2770 |
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No kind of human or dead person on the island could have killed Kanon.
It's impossible for person X to have killed Kanon as the red text would be violated. I think the most accepted theory is that is he did not die in the boiler room. The idea of person X entering the island after the first twilight is difficult since there is a storm. But since Erika made it I guess it's possible.
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2009-10-31, 12:31 | Link #2771 | |
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The identity of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed.
Which means that people can't fake their death in the first game. Quote:
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2009-10-31, 12:42 | Link #2773 | |
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In the case of Kanon, it's possible for him to fake his death with the cooperation of Nanjo and Jessica. He wasn't observed after they took him away for treatment, so we only have their word that he actually died. He may not even have been wounded. Battler saw a lot of blood, but the stake wasn't actually stabbed into Kanon's body, so that could have been faked with red paint. |
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2009-10-31, 12:56 | Link #2774 | |
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Episodes 1 - 4 did not prove that magic does not exist. Episode 5 showed us the game board from a different point of view but gave stronger hints that the magic world is nothing more than an illusion. In the end, it all depends on your definition of what magic is.
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2009-10-31, 12:56 | Link #2775 | |
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However, Eva and Hideyoshi has to be killed by a person X. In the case of Eva and Hideyoshi, a person X knocked on the door, was accepted into the room for whatever reason and then murdered Eva and Hideyoshi. After that, he set the chain and hid somewhere until the room was no longer a locked room. |
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2009-10-31, 13:38 | Link #2777 | |
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Also, Shannon's death isn't confirmed any more than Kanon's is. She could have been feigning death when the first twilight was discovered. Her supposed corpse was out of sight in the back of the shed, and wasn't directly observed by Battler. She may have been examined by Nanjo, Hideyoshi, or Kanon, but it's not clear how closely they looked, or if any of them could be accomplices. |
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2009-10-31, 13:49 | Link #2778 | |
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Also, whether Shannon is dead or alive doesn't matter, because she was certainly in the shed and Natsuhi placed another padlock on it and kept the key herself, so everyone inside the shed was locked in. Of course, none of these are decisive proof that your theory couldn't happen, but seen from the killer's perspective, having an unknown person there to do it would be a much better way to commit the murders with less chance of noise in the closed room tricks. And here is another reason for why an unknown person X must exist in the first game: Natsuhi was killed by another person. There are no unidentified corpses and all the survivors have alibies. By "survivors" she means those who are left of the original 17 and therefore an unknown killer X is not counted among the survivors. Last edited by Geekodot; 2009-10-31 at 14:14. |
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But I wasn't suggesting that all of the servants were in on it anyway. If some of them were busy burning Kinzo's body, then it's possible that contrary to what we saw, one of them had actually separated from the others and killed Eva and Hideyoshi. Then when the others discovered the bodies, this lone servant could slip out of the closet, which is in a blind spot relative to where the bodies were, and pretend to have come in through the door after everyone else. Anyway, a mysterious person X wouldn't know where Natsuhi and the servants stashed Kinzo's body, right? Quote:
You can also make a (kind of sickening) argument that the end of the passage to Kuwadorian is in the garden shed. It doesn't have to be a secret passage, since Battler as the detective didn't actually search the shed looking for it. Quote:
Alternately, by "survivors" she means the people who Battler believes are the survivors. After all, Kanon almost certainly isn't dead, and he doesn't have an alibi. |
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