Learning Japanese

[Raiga]

Okay, great, I think I got it, thanks. ^^

[Raiga]

Okay one more thing. Does っ come before or after つ?

[mendokusa]

there is ”つ”after”っ”
かって、かつて

btw,vowel before"ー",”コール”is"o",there is "ー"before "お"
コール、こおる

[iLney]

k, let's revive this thread.

Quick question:

A:すぐ行きません。
...............
A:ぞ、おれ仕事入っていたから。

Apparently, the first sentence must mean "I'll be right there." But why "行きません?"

[Alchemist007]

Actually the first one means "I'm not going immediately (but will later)"

[mendokusa]

I can't understand "ぞ".
but ”すぐ行きません。”is "why don't you go there soon? "
raise the tone at the end of this sentence.

[Alchemist007]

Ugh I forgot how sometimes they don't put question marks even if it is a question

[Ansalem]

Originally Posted by mendokusa

but ”すぐ行きません。”is "why don't you go there soon? " raise the tone at the end of this sentence.

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Ugh I forgot how sometimes they don't put question marks even if it is a question

Well, a question mark is generally only included if the sentence is a question and it doesn't end in the sentence-ending particle か。So すぐ行きません。meaning as mendokusa suggests would generally either be written as すぐ行きません？　Or すぐ行きませんか。In general, questions written in ます-form end with か　and using raised intonation is more frequently used for short-form questions, as in すぐ行かない？
It's more difficult to translate with only half of the conversation, but I'd find it odd for that to be translated as ”I'll be right there、”　Which would normally be written　with those words as　すぐ行きます。Or something similar.

[Alchemist007]

Yeah I know all that already, but considering the many things Jap crazifies, I assumed it was another one of those things. But I do see that the sentence itself is weird on its own here.

[mendokusa]

Almost japanese sentence can become questions , when that raise the tone at the end of this sentence.
it confirm ok.
すぐ行きません？
すぐ行きます？
those are not very different.

[Ansalem]

Originally Posted by mendokusa

Almost japanese sentence can become questions , when that raise the tone at the end of this sentence.
it confirm ok.
すぐ行きません？
すぐ行きます？
those are not very different.

Yeah. My main point is that when written, questions are supposed to have a か　or a question mark, which the original sentence was missing, thus being confusing if it was indeed meant that way.

[iLney]

Thanks for the respond. I figure that a context should always be provided。Here it is:

A man and a woman were talking. The phone rang.

The man: すぐ行きませ(ん).

There was no emphasis at the end of the sentence. He said it flat. Plus, the man was looking for every possible reason to meet the caller so I think that "I'll be right there" makes sense.

<He hung up>
The man: [ぞおれ] [仕事入っていたから.]
"well, I got work to do."

He said it that way and left.

Ah, and they were what I heard I am positive about the first one. For the second, it could have been: ”じょおれ"　”じょうおれ” but they didn't make any sense. "ぞ" is used at the end of the sentence (only?) but it was the least "wrong," I think.

[Alchemist007]

Hmm if that's just how you're hearing it (and there's no written form of it provided), you may just be mishearing what he's saying. I used to do it all the time in my class.

[iLney]

Well, I'm 100% sure that it was "すぐ行きま...." and sen, sem, se.... but not su.

Thank you very much though. Next question:

よく言うよ！

I thought it were "well said" but the translation wrote "Bullshit" ?!

[Alchemist007]

Don't know what translator that is O_o, but it is as you thought.

[mendokusa]

the sentence is near "Bullshit".
"well said" is "よく言った！"

よく（そんなことを）言うよ！
when be shocked with sticks or as a joke,use this sentence.

A:僕は君が好きだ。(I love you!)
B:昨日彼女と別れたばかりで、よく言うよ！（ yesterday you broke with another girl at once.Bullshit!）

[Alchemist007]

Is that a cultural thing? The most offensive I could read it would be "I definitely am saying!"

[Raiga]

I think it's sort of like "You dare to say that?/You have the nerve to say that?" There's something similar to that in Chinese, where you use the word for "good" but it's really more like you're saying you're amazed someone dares to do whatever it is you're talking about, than that what they're doing is actually "good."

I dunno, "well you say that" except sarcastic, or something? Or perhaps "you should talk!" or something.

[Kylaran]

Originally Posted by iLney

Thanks for the respond. I figure that a context should always be provided。Here it is:

A man and a woman were talking. The phone rang.

The man: すぐ行きませ(ん).

There was no emphasis at the end of the sentence. He said it flat. Plus, the man was looking for every possible reason to meet the caller so I think that "I'll be right there" makes sense.

<He hung up>
The man: [ぞおれ] [仕事入っていたから.]
"well, I got work to do."

He said it that way and left.

Ah, and they were what I heard I am positive about the first one. For the second, it could have been: ”じょおれ"　”じょうおれ” but they didn't make any sense. "ぞ" is used at the end of the sentence (only?) but it was the least "wrong," I think.

First of all, translation accuracy should -always- be doubted if the product you're watching was subbed for free or for cheap, or otherwise not done by professionals. For example, one should -always- doubt the translations on fansubs.

That being said, I can't pass judgment on this case because 1.) you're hearing it and transcribing it, and 2.) it still feels like there's missing context. If I was given that scene without a translation beforehand, I would assume sugu ikemasen would mean "I can't go immediately."

Originally Posted by iLney

Well, I'm 100% sure that it was "すぐ行きま...." and sen, sem, se.... but not su.

Thank you very much though. Next question:

よく言うよ！

I thought it were "well said" but the translation wrote "Bullshit" ?!

I don't see a problem with that translation. That's something akin to: "(I can't believe) you can say that (in this situation)."

To put it more specifically, it literally can mean something like "you can say that", except linguistically the usage is adapted for situations in which "you can say that" would be a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Is that a cultural thing? The most offensive I could read it would be "I definitely am saying!"

It's used when someone wants to make a comment about what someone else said. You wouldn't use it to describe your own words, but the words of another.

[Alchemist007]

So its like mocking?