2013-04-20, 08:37 | Link #27784 |
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@ Ridwan : Quit bitching and accept it.
Well it seems that they went down the wrong path of Islam and violated its image even more. It is kind of sad how thesw philosophies are easily twisted by megalomanical butthurt anchioves and result in the death of innocent people.
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2013-04-20, 10:54 | Link #27789 |
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I fully understand and agree that the vast majority of adherents to Islam are peaceful, normal people who just want to live their lives without any conflict. I also am a firm believer in the fact that many of the Islamic nations have socioeconomic problems and a bone to pick with Western civilization for imperialism and interference in their affairs. I also accept and acknowledge every civilization has its extremists who are violent and can give their peers a bad name.
With all of that in mind, I still wonder if it's a bit easier to "make the leap," as an adherent of Islam, towards violence for religious reasons. We shouldn't completely turn a blind eye to the fact that Islam was built on violent conquest. That's not to say that Christianity, for instance, didn't benefit greatly, at times, from warring armies spreading their texts by the sword. Nonetheless, in Islam, it is a much more tightly interwoven facet of the religion's history. The conquest of Mecca was engineered by Muhammad himself. It was done to 'avenge' the slaughter of Muslims, but even so, that behavior is kind of a far cry from how Buddha or Jesus might have reacted, according to our knowledge of them. After Muhammad's death, the conquests expanded further and further. Of course, balance that with the fact that, as far as we know historically, many of the great Islamic empires were relatively accepting of minority religions (second class status, but acceptance), which we certainly can't claim about medieval Christianity. So, yes, most Muslims are regular people. Being Muslim doesn't turn you into a hateful person out for blood. I do think, however, there may be some truth to the idea that there is a minor cultural leaning towards warfare within Islam. What that means to me is, IF you decide you want to use your religion to justify violence, it might be a bit easier as a Muslim. This might also make it easier to form radical groups. In the end, though, extremists will find justification for their actions, regardless of what text they observe. |
2013-04-20, 11:29 | Link #27790 |
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Pakistan judge remands ex-president Musharraf in custody
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93I04K20130420
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2013-04-20, 11:50 | Link #27791 | |
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It's exactly as you said : extremists will find justification for their actions, regardless of whatever they fight for. Islam is "the other", and it's easy sometimes to make a lot of assumptions and generalizations in lieu of understanding the root causes of the problems.
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2013-04-20, 12:52 | Link #27792 |
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Current events bein what they are, nice job Boston! Hope yous can rest easy now.
As for the whole religious talk, as somebody who spent three years in Afghanistan huntin a particular bonafide terrorist/nutcase, I got to meet and talk with those you call Muslims, Arabs, Jihadists, and good old fashioned Mujahadeen. To put it simple, they are just as curious about us as we are about them, about 50-100 years behind us tech wise, the concept of running water is a new thing! And every damn one if them will greet you with a smile and "Salam Milekum!"(sp?). And yeah they all had guns too! Having a rifle is considered a rite of passage over there, jest like a car over here. Most didn't like the Taliban and the elders considered their ways against the teachings of Allah, and fer the most part the clerics were good at preachin the word of Osama, better than Allah! In other words a religion can be corrupted to fit a desired plan, and humans can be very underhanded. History has shown how religion can be persecuted by those with an agenda as well, and I don't think I need to retread that path here, since you have the internet at your disposal! As to the Chechen that is in custody, yeah don't get to comfortable bubba, Russia will be wantin to talk to yas! These clowns were notorious for stirin up shit in Iraq, and hardcore "insurrectionists too. |
2013-04-20, 13:02 | Link #27793 | |
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Yes. My idea was that perhaps Islam, as a religion, makes it easier to justify violent resistance. NOT that Islam is inherently violent, not that it's evil, but that IF one wanted to justify their violent actions, it seems to me to be easier to point directly to concepts like Jihad and the conquest of Mecca to gather inspiration. You can definitely still do it with Christianity or Buddhism, but you've got to be a bit more roundabout in doing so. You're really stretching it in attempting to use that as some kind of counter-point to my post... No, actually, I do think there is justification for anger and dissidence against western intrusion in the affairs in the Islamic world. I think the US has done plenty of bad things to further their own agenda. None of it justifies terrorist actions, but I can certainly understand why they have arisen: as a result of foreign policy blow-back. How does this relate to the point I was trying to make? Quote:
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2013-04-20, 13:14 | Link #27795 |
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Yeah, pretty tragic news, especially so soon after the 2008 earth quake in the same region. The death toll is going to climb up, since houses in the countryside are really not built with any earthquake in mind. However, it is not near the disaster level of the 2008 one.
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2013-04-20, 13:28 | Link #27796 | |
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2013-04-20, 13:42 | Link #27798 | |
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I am rather disguised at how people quickly jump to this whole discussion about Muslim, terrorism, or even striping the man of his rights as a human and just have him tied to a stake and stoned to death by the masses.
I feel as if people needed an excuse to differentiate themselves from "terrorists" then engage in this giant circlejerk led by the media. The bible too has many questionable passages if taken literally. Such topics are often avoided and considered taboo when discussed with christians. The christian god is just as unmerciful to his enemies and non-believers as the "demons of Islam" (with a premise of: if you don't believe in me, you are going to hell some day). All these hatred building up towards things we do not necessary agree with is what sparks more wars in the future and pass on the flames of hatred. End of the day, I think we all brought terrorism onto ourselves. Quote:
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2013-04-20, 14:13 | Link #27799 |
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This is silly. Regardless of how you try to quibble over whether Islamic texts make it easier to justify violent conquest or not, the fact remains that early and medieval Christians were just as able to use Christianity as a justification for expansionist military conquests as Islam was able to. Christianity didn't go from obscure cult to one of the most dominant religions on the planet by playing nice.
The reason Islam produces so many terrorists today is because the theological center of the Muslim world is a fragmented mess left over from colonialism.
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