2013-04-20, 17:56 | Link #27801 |
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Yep, it makes it easier to hate if you can't tell them apart.
Muslim is the new Jew, aka new scapegoat, which apparently caused all the world's evil. The additional benefit to this kind of bigotry, is that now one can blame Jews for inspiring Islam, and since they're all in the Middle East origin, you get a 3 for 1 bigotry deal. Brilliant. It's kinda like if a minority robs someone, it suddenly will be used to reinforce certain ideas, but if not, then it's just a thief. When I was younger, I used to think that all the Abrahamic religions were the bad stuff because they were responsible for so much conflict and oppression. Until I realized that the members of them contained a large amount of humans-- that's what they really have in common, and thus it is actually humans are the real scum. If one wants to really vanquish evil and direct their fear against a group, then endeavor to wipe out humanity-- starting with oneself, of course. Wiping out every Muslim won't get rid of terrorism. But wiping out every human being will. Is that what we want?
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2013-04-20, 19:31 | Link #27802 | |
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2013-04-20, 19:49 | Link #27803 | |
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2013-04-20, 19:56 | Link #27804 |
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It's always an excuse. I don't really think any conflict has been undertaken solely for religious reasons; not even the Muslim Conquests, not even the Crusades. There are always underlying reasons, usually economic, or, at the very least, simply a desire for increased power and influence, which I don't think any religion endorses.
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2013-04-20, 20:00 | Link #27805 | |
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Islam isn't any more easier to justify violence then Christianity or any other religion. the fact of the matter is that, it doesn't matter what religion it is. people will do what they want to.
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2013-04-20, 20:06 | Link #27806 | |
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It doesn't matter in the end, I'm aware of that. I just think that Islam does kind of have this element where the prophet himself led the conquest of a city. It might be an easier rallying cry, but obviously, what the holy text even says is irrelevant, so I guess it's a moot point. |
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Kerry says doubling U.S. non-lethal aid to Syrian opposition
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93K00220130421 Analysis: Keep calm and carry on in India's slumping car market http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93G15T20130417
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2013-04-20, 23:43 | Link #27808 | |
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2013-04-21, 00:37 | Link #27810 |
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Seeing how the majority of the world is religious for much of human history, it's an endless wonder how civilization and intellectual ferment, both of which require logical thinking, ever happen in the first place.
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2013-04-21, 01:50 | Link #27813 |
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YES RELIGION IS A SCOURGE!
BURN DOWN ALL THE CHURCHES, TEMPLES AND MOSQUES! CASTRATE INSTEAD OF CIRCUMCISION SO THEIR BAD GENES DON'T PASS DOWN! HANG ALL IMAMS, ARCHDEACONS AND HEAD MONKS! [/sarcasm] Ahem. Back on topic.
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2013-04-21, 02:20 | Link #27814 | |
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Alchemy is bullshit; but without Alchemy we would never have Chemistry. Without people thinking there are things that exist which we can't see, we would never have Imaginary numbers and Quantum Mechanics. Humanity get things wrong all the time, and will keep getting things wrong. But if we don't try we wouldn't get anywhere. Creation myths are a bunch of baloney, but without them humanity would never have bothered to wonder how the universe worked. Just because our ancestors have less to work with doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried to understand the world. What IS the problem, is those who think anything that is old is automatically better than anything that is new. Now, it works in reverse too, in that you can't discount old wisdom. But the fact is too many people have the mistaken belief that anything that is traditional is infallible. People used to die in their 30's. Together with limited and controlled access to information, organised religion was once able to update themselves to modern standards and claim they never changed anything. In this way, religion is able to be progressive while lie to their followers that they were doing what their ancestors had always done. You can't do that now; too much info has become widely available. The Catholic Church can't just stealthily decide that contraception has always been acceptable. The same way they stealthily decided the Pagan Winter Solstice is now the Birthday of Jesus. If only they went back to the good old days when the holy book was in Latin and most people can't read it...
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2013-04-21, 02:31 | Link #27815 |
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I wasn't being serious. My point is that religion being an archaic relic that opposes progress is one humongous oversimplification. But what you say is true. Though instinctive conservatism is an integral part of human nature, and will always be around.
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2013-04-21, 03:25 | Link #27817 | |
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The Church didn't save science or knowledge; the Church simply had a monopoly on information, and as such only sanctioned science was permitted.
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2013-04-21, 03:56 | Link #27818 |
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More like, religion isn't particularly anti or pro science. European christendom is rather unique in that there was a body with colossal monopoly over intellectuality. The whole anti-science stuff also has never been about an actual anti-science stance. Still, in regards to the extent of polarization over the issue, Western civilization has had no match.
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2013-04-21, 05:01 | Link #27819 | |
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2013-04-21, 06:14 | Link #27820 | |
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And if peasants have enough to last the winter, they would be able to do their own science. Remember that the Church didn't fund the Renaissance; the Medici did. Galileo had the Medici to thank for paying his bills. A family of foreign exchange traders.
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