2016-10-13, 01:26 | Link #261 | |
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More to the point, just because, in hindsight, a decision is wrong, it doesn't mean it's an actionable offense. And you haven't answered my question. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2016-10-13 at 17:24. |
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2016-10-13, 02:24 | Link #262 |
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I want to just throw my opinon in about a (very good) movie, and I shook off all the dust on discussion, it seems
After taking a day or two to think about this movie, it basically comes down to this: we, as the audience, have extra knowledge. If we were regular MCU characters, and non-metahuman at that, we'd all be pro-Accords; make the Avengers sign it so that they take responsibility for the world (despite it ultimately not putting responsibility anywhere). Hell, my biggest issue, as I stated the first time around is if you bind the Avengers to this law, what happens when a major catastrophe that only they can solve (hint: Thanos) occurs? Do you keep them bound to the law, even if it means countless people will die? Or do you let them act as your so-called vigilante force? In regards to Cap therefore rescuing Bucky... because we know that Bucky was a HYDRA slave, it makes sense for us to have Cap rescue him. Anyone else, and it's a case of "Captain America is helping a murder". In fact, I would argue that Black Panther, when first introduced, only made things worse- yes, Cap was getting beat up pretty badly, but then he had to deal with two opponents, one of whom was hell-bent on killing Bucky (since we don't learn about the framing until much later on). Also, responsibity... it;s one of those things superhero movies tend to conveniently ignore, and then you get Civil War. In AoU, does anyone besides the audience (and the rest of the team) actually know that Stark created Ultron? Granted, I myself don't remember anything regarding this. Otherwise, it would've been a case of the Avengers taking out just another threat to the world. And Cap failing against Crossbones? In the movie, because of Wanda, she's the one who ultimately took all the blame, despite what happened with Cap. I;'d argue that the Accords were the way of taking responsibility for that. Personally, even though people did die, I would call it a rookie mistake and have her sit out on a few missions (though we know how well THAT actually went)
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2016-10-13, 02:38 | Link #263 | ||
I disagree with you all.
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As for Wanda, she may be the public face of the failure, but she didn't do anything really wrong. She did the best she could with what she had, in the situation Cap put her in. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2016-10-13 at 12:53. |
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2016-10-13, 07:56 | Link #264 | |
Haven't You Heard?
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In AoU, Fury demand Tony explanation, implying higher-ups know that Ultron is Tony creation or somehow related to Tony. That's not counting fact that Ultron tend to talk about Tony and using his new Iron Legion before Ultron modified it into his 'clones'. Moreover, in Ant-Man, there's a news about Stark is the one taking responsibilities for mess happened during AoU. Implying if people blame Avengers, all that angst goes to him. So don't be surprised if his appearance in Civil War is kinda mess, impatient, compare to calm and neat Tony at first Avenger movie; I know how it feels to take all paperworks when your teammates are going 'like I care' to that responsibilities, not counting the day when your loyal and trustworthy girlfriend chose to broke up thanks to all that problem.
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2016-10-13, 20:18 | Link #266 | |
Haven't You Heard?
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Accord wasn't implemented yet, and Steve faction not even tried to negotiate the regulation even with Tony said they still have opportunity to negotiate how Accord regulate superhuman if Steve express interest to sign. The movie content itself basically half for Accord vote and half for Bucky, made it hard to say that having Accord didn't help.
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2016-10-14, 11:36 | Link #267 | |
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The IDEA of the Accords, and the reason we need an Accords, is entirely right and justified. What the Accords ended up BEING, and how it is implemented in the film, is retarded, useless, and destructive. So the only way you can be pro-Accords is if you like the idea of having the Accords, but don't care that it is not functional. You can like the argument for the Accords while still saying the Accords as written should not exist.
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