Mahouka LN - Isolation (Volume 23) Discussion / Poll

[Kotaro kunn]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

So I suppose this is the volume where Mayumi bows out of the Tatsuya sweepstakes (not that she had a chance in the first place).

Nope, she didn't attack Tatsuya, she is concerned for him too.

[patcan3609]

Honestly, Mayumi is just out of the Tatsuya bowl. Regardless of whether or not she is worried about Tatsuya, she still stood on the opposite side. Even though this is because of her position and responsibility as one of the 10 MC, fact remains that she stood opposite of his idea and most likely will continue doing so.

[Jirachier]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Tatsuya's interaction with Yakumo always interesting and funny

CMIIW, I may read it wrong but this is what I understand

Spoiler for Tatsuya realized the missing point of his research:

During the discussion between Miyuki and Tatsuya about Igor's interview which in that interview Igor iterated that New Soviet intended to fully participate with Project Dione.

New Soviet and USNA were supposed an enemy but then they were cooperating together for this project, in other words, USNA allies more or less should do the same, and Japan wasn't in exception.

About the project, Tatsuya realized that this project has hidden agenda to weaken magic power another countries other than USNA because the most excellent magicians would do their work for Project Dione.

In the same pattern with that thinking, Tatsuya realized too that his "plan" to change the destiny of magician from weapon parts to economic pillar has a detrimental point too.
If the strong magician has to involved in economical works/jobs, it then left army with lack of excellent magician, even a country with good economy, it would be meaningless with the lack of military power (because other country would easily trample the weaker country).

So Tatsuya thought the need of a deterrent power which able to avoid that kind of scenario happens, while looking to his hand

My conclusion, maybe Tatsuya really thought of becoming the "god" of world?

I think it could be a nod to him trying to understand the object his mother in law gave him several volumes ago that can store activation sequences. If he can unlock its mysteries he could store instances of Material Burst in them and maybe create a system of deterrence through them independent of himself ?

[-Mahesvara_]

Originally Posted by patcan3609

Honestly, Mayumi is just out of the Tatsuya bowl. Regardless of whether or not she is worried about Tatsuya, she still stood on the opposite side. Even though this is because of her position and responsibility as one of the 10 MC, fact remains that she stood opposite of his idea and most likely will continue doing so.

Like Tatsuya will ever hold it against her, He never held anything against Lina when she attempted to capture him(she even blew his arm off for christs sake). Tatsuya's not one to hold a grudge against someone who's essentially a victim of circumstance like Mayumi is in this scenario. Their relationship will likely resume to how it was before once this problem is taken care of and apologies are exchanged.

[DanielSong39]

I think Lina's circumstance was very different from Mayumi's...

In any case Lina bowed out on her own terms and with class, so things are pretty much settled there. I think Mayumi is in a more difficult situation.

[amtro]

I think you should all quiet down a bit, because none of you seem to know what you're talking about.
Mayumi was showing concern for Tatsuya DESPITE being on the opposite side due to her circumstances. The author even makes a point of how she screamed Tatsuya's name despite her supposedly being with Katsuto.
Nothing was decided in this volume, aside from the fact that Miki, Erika and Leo are best bros with Tatsuya and that Honoka is turning more vicious.

[Ken Sanders]

We can't forget about Pixie, guys. There is no way she will leave Tatsuya, her Master, alone when he is going to escape in the next volume.

[mashingan]

Originally Posted by Jirachier

I think it could be a nod to him trying to understand the object his mother in law gave him several volumes ago that can store activation sequences. If he can unlock its mysteries he could store instances of Material Burst in them and maybe create a system of deterrence through them independent of himself ?

Makes sense, it would connect the pieces.
But the usage of Material Burst is necessary to use ES, it would hard to replicate.

If Tatsuya is able to replicate relic Ni-no-Magatama, his problems more and less would be solved because magicians would be no need to deployed directly. Of course another problems would pop up but his current plan where magicians doesn't have to be a weapon unwillingly would be solved.

Originally Posted by Ken Sanders

We can't forget about Pixie, guys. There is no way she will leave Tatsuya, her Master, alone when he is going to escape in the next volume.

She's following Tatsuya to Izu

Spoiler for Mayumi intent by accompanying Katsuto:

She believed that Katsuto would win against Tatsuya, so she felt she need to go there to stop if things going too far.
She knew Tatsuya is strong but she thought that Tatsuya wouldn't win against Katsuto, what she knew Tatsuya trump card only that "healing" magic (it's secret so she just said "healing" magic). When that happens, Katsuto wouldn't be able to hold back and maybe ended up killing Tatsuya (that's what she thought).

Katsuto then was agreed to bring her, in hoping any direct confrontation could be avoided and resolution could be reached peacefully.

Oh, Katsuto went to persuade Tatsuya as a ambassador of Japan Magic Association, he had to do it because no other people who closer than him in 10MC clan during 10MC clan online meeting.

Spoiler for Lina's change of heart:

There are two point notable about Lina's attendance as guard for Clark during 3 countries meeting.
1. The shocking revelation of Taurus Silver as Tatsuya.
2. The truth she found by chance about the main engine of Enterprise ship (I didn't read it carefully so just know that Enterprise ship is largest USNA Carrier which unknown to anyone what the fuel it used. At first, it's suspected that it uses nuclear power but after International Magic Association investigation, no such hints of any nuclear power used, so its main power remains mystery to anyone)

The most interesting part is the 2nd, because the main power to power the ship is magicians, literally. She tread unintended forbidden area of the ship, found the psion wave to invoke magic, but the wave would be impossible if invoked only by one person, she thought it would only possible with 10 to 20 people who invoke same magic at same time.

But this technique needed a highly synchronized magicians and literally impossible, it's possible if the magician's free will was removed. Not to mention this technique broke military regulations.
So she came to conclusion that the main engine for the ship were magicians.

At first, she thought there's no such magician that be a weapon against his/her will. She took herself as example, that it's her decision to be a soldier, while Tatsuya iterated to her that his ambition was the world where no such magician anymore.
But after she realized the main engine of Enterprise, she psychologically was in turmoil.

Clark didn't threat Lina to keep the information, he said if by any chance the information leaked, it's highly probable the info would became a public.

[azarhal]

WTH would the USNA build something like that?

Although, the moment I read there was a huge carrier twice as big as anything, I knew it was going to be destroyed eventually. Going by how the engine works, it so will be...but not before someone film was is going on in there.

[NAJ P. Jackson]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Spoiler for Mayumi intent by accompanying Katsuto:

She believed that Katsuto would win against Katsuto, so she felt she need to go there to stop if things going too far.
She knew Tatsuya is strong but she thought that Tatsuya wouldn't win against Katsuto, what she knew Tatsuya trump card only that "healing" magic (it's secret so she just said "healing" magic). When that happens, Katsuto wouldn't be able to hold back and maybe ended up killing Tatsuya (that's what she thought).

Katsuto then was agreed to bring her, in hoping any direct confrontation could be avoided and resolution could be reached peacefully.

Oh, Katsuto went to persuade Tatsuya as a ambassador of Japan Magic Association, he had to do it because no other people who closer than him in 10MC clan during 10MC clan online meeting.

Whoa! Katsuto's going to fight against his clone!

Sad how they underestimate Tatsuya like this when Tatsuya specifically made a new magic to counter Katsuto's barrier. Now I'm hoping there will be a fight just to see their reaction.

[Ravagerblade]

So did the three really underestimate Tatsuya because he was Course 2? Cuz I feel like that how it is.

Even if they don't like the discrimination they still do so if even subconsciously.

[mashingan]

Originally Posted by azarhal

WTH would the USNA build something like that?

Although, the moment I read there was a huge carrier twice as big as anything, I knew it was going to be destroyed eventually. Going by how the engine works, it so will be...but not before someone film was is going on in there.

I read it as if a wind passes
I got only some parts of those lines, so maybe it's explained there ... or not?

Originally Posted by NAJ P. Jackson

Whoa! Katsuto's going to fight against his clone!

Sad how they underestimate Tatsuya like this when Tatsuya specifically made a new magic to counter Katsuto's barrier. Now I'm hoping there will be a fight just to see their reaction.

Fixed. That's really silly mistake

There's the fight, just dig around for posts which depict that fight.
Because I haven't reach that scene/page, I still rely on those spoilers too

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

So did the three really underestimate Tatsuya because he was Course 2? Cuz I feel like that how it is.

Even if they don't like the discrimination they still do so if even subconsciously.

I think the main reason because Mayumi and Katsuto still didn't know the true Tatsuya power.
Erika too knew only because she's with Tatsuya more often than those two, but even that's only because her intuition, not because of factual info.

[Ravagerblade]

Maybe but It's also because those who've sit on high with power(10master Clans, Mari while not of them has been with Mayumi and Katsuto for awhile so she's got the same mind frame) can only see it their own way verses the ones who toiled away with lesser power and open to different ways of things, Or something like that.

[mashingan]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

Maybe but It's also because those who've sit on high with power(10master Clans, Mari while not of them has been with Mayumi and Katsuto for awhile so she's got the same mind frame) can only see it their own way verses the ones who toiled away with lesser power and open to different ways of things, Or something like that.

Of course, that's a factor too.
Since they don't know another info about Tatsuya, all they can do is relying their info about current Tatsuya's power level.

The different with the one who really looks down is just like that Morisaki guy, simply dissed someone just because he has higher class placement than Tatsuya.

If those three knew about Tatsuya decomposition and ES, not in any chance they will think they'll able to win.
Also, I think the most powerful about Tatsuya is his analytical skill and magic development.
If not, he wouldn't able to devise a new magic just to fight Phalanx

[Ravagerblade]

Tatsuya is nothing if not innovative lol.

I'm hoping they'll see that Tatsuya is right and they're wrong.
But Drama is Drama.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

So did the three really underestimate Tatsuya because he was Course 2? Cuz I feel like that how it is.

Even if they don't like the discrimination they still do so if even subconsciously.

It doesn't have to do with him being course 2. Its just that from what info they know, Katsuto's magic is simply a good match up against Tatsuya's. Even Tatsuya IIRC thought this before. Its kinda like while Maya is considered one of the strongest magicians, Tatsuya's magic is well suited for a fight against her.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

It doesn't have to do with him being course 2. Its just that from what info they know, Katsuto's magic is simply a good match up against Tatsuya's. Even Tatsuya IIRC thought this before. Its kinda like while Maya is considered one of the strongest magicians, Tatsuya's magic is well suited for a fight against her.

You don't need to reply to that. Your not seeing the context I've put in.
So just don't say anything.

[-Mahesvara_]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Spoiler for Mayumi intent by accompanying Katsuto:

She believed that Katsuto would win against Tatsuya, so she felt she need to go there to stop if things going too far.
She knew Tatsuya is strong but she thought that Tatsuya wouldn't win against Katsuto, what she knew Tatsuya trump card only that "healing" magic (it's secret so she just said "healing" magic). When that happens, Katsuto wouldn't be able to hold back and maybe ended up killing Tatsuya (that's what she thought).

Katsuto then was agreed to bring her, in hoping any direct confrontation could be avoided and resolution could be reached peacefully.

Oh, Katsuto went to persuade Tatsuya as a ambassador of Japan Magic Association, he had to do it because no other people who closer than him in 10MC clan during 10MC clan online meeting.

Spoiler for Lina's change of heart:

There are two point notable about Lina's attendance as guard for Clark during 3 countries meeting.
1. The shocking revelation of Taurus Silver as Tatsuya.
2. The truth she found by chance about the main engine of Enterprise ship (I didn't read it carefully so just know that Enterprise ship is largest USNA Carrier which unknown to anyone what the fuel it used. At first, it's suspected that it uses nuclear power but after International Magic Association investigation, no such hints of any nuclear power used, so its main power remains mystery to anyone)

The most interesting part is the 2nd, because the main power to power the ship is magicians, literally. She tread unintended forbidden area of the ship, found the psion wave to invoke magic, but the wave would be impossible if invoked only by one person, she thought it would only possible with 10 to 20 people who invoke same magic at same time.

But this technique needed a highly synchronized magicians and literally impossible, it's possible if the magician's free will was removed. Not to mention this technique broke military regulations.
So she came to conclusion that the main engine for the ship were magicians.

At first, she thought there's no such magician that be a weapon against his/her will. She took herself as example, that it's her decision to be a soldier, while Tatsuya iterated to her that his ambition was the world where no such magician anymore.
But after she realized the main engine of Enterprise, she psychologically was in turmoil.

Clark didn't threat Lina to keep the information, he said if by any chance the information leaked, it's highly probable the info would became a public.

Well I guess its to be expected that they would think Katsuto would win, I bet they were quite surprised with how Tatsuya was destroying Katsuto's barriers though and when he pulled out Baryon Lance. Mayumi should of been aware of decomposition though, since she did witness him use it once.

Thanks for the clarification, I hope people will now stop overreacting about Mayumi's actions this volume.

Man I hope this finally pushes Lina to leave the USNA and move to Japan.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Of course, that's a factor too.
Since they don't know another info about Tatsuya, all they can do is relying their info about current Tatsuya's power level.

The different with the one who really looks down is just like that Morisaki guy, simply dissed someone just because he has higher class placement than Tatsuya.

If those three knew about Tatsuya decomposition and ES, not in any chance they will think they'll able to win.
Also, I think the most powerful about Tatsuya is his analytical skill and magic development.
If not, he wouldn't able to devise a new magic just to fight Phalanx

That reminds me. Do we see Morisaki's reaction?

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by bakato

That reminds me. Do we see Morisaki's reaction?

Who?

/joking...sorta.

He's irrelevant ever since the second year started.