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lommm · 2006-11-24, 15:35

dunno if anyone has the soundtrack, but it's pretty damn good. like a movie score. here is some of the booklet. it has the lyrics for the OP and ED, though only the ED is in English for some reason... maybe because it's already in English. lol

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet01.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet02.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet03.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet05.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet06.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet07.jpg

gknight · 2006-11-26, 10:00

is there shounen ai in this show? (considering the main character is a transvestite)

lommm · 2006-11-27, 03:04

not yet... at least not out right shounen ai... but it's come pretty close a couple of times... i woulldn't be surprised if we get there, because one of the main character, Durand, was in love with D'Eon's sister, Lia. D'Eon is dressing up like Lia and becoming possessed by her ghost. There have already been instances that show where Durand is still having feeling for Lia, and he might transfer them onto D'Eon. But it hasn't happened yet. I'd just ask back every few weeks, since i know you like shounen ai. we'll tell you if it has happened or not.

also, one of the other main "male" characters, Robin, may actually be a girl.

gknight · 2006-11-27, 06:54

thanks! :]

Doria · 2006-11-28, 14:09

Yeah, it's pretty hard for me to watch Durand longing after Lia (who is, unfortunately, alive only in Eon currently) without seeing at least some attenuated shounen-ai.

But beyond that, I wouldn't say it's particularly strong in that category. Obviously, if you really want to see those kinds of pairings in it, you can find ways--Eon, to my mind, seems far more interested in pretty much any of his companions than he is in his ostensible fiancee, Anna. And as the obsessive speculation about his gender suggests, Robin is a bit on the girly side, though I'd submit that this is more due to the creators wanting to play up his youth and relative immaturity/lack of experience.

lommm · 2006-11-29, 21:51

i agree, i just like making a joke out of robin :P

Doria · 2006-11-30, 20:27

Everyone likes making a joke of Robin! Seriously, I actually wouldn't object to the series developing some of our main group's characters a teeny bit more. I do see some development with Eon... but that's about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that by the end, Robin will have grown up considerably, Durand will probably have sacrificed himself either a) heroically (and to be with Lia) or b) heroically (and to make up for having killed Lia... totally a random theory), and Teillagory will still be hanging out with women in the bar.

Well, realistically, I suppose it's more likely that Teillagory will die b/c he is older so, not such a big loss maybe? But I'll be sad if that's the case, as he is my favorite. Durand is awesome, but those horrible, horrible boots just spoil his coolness factor for me every time.

lommm · 2006-12-01, 06:38

well, in reality Durand took a very long (30 years+) post in England... as a spy... in the foreiggn ministry... but he apparently hated Louis XV and felt that being in Le Secret meant that he was better than the king and more important to France...

yeah, i've been reading my library books

and i can't find a real teillagory.... there were people with similar names in Le Secret, but no one by that name in any of the D'Eon I have. quite a bit on Durand, in that D'Eon was often sent to the same place as Durand.

so my money's on Old T dying... but of shock when Robin tries to turn him into a lolicon!

wao · 2006-12-01, 07:36

Was just catching up on some Chevalier D'Eon, and while I've gotten thoroughly confused as to what's going on, the art in episode 13 is pretty nice in some places. And I swear the way they were directing it, if there were any fujoshi for this show, they would have gone rioting after watching this episode.

I personally kind of liked the flashback in Lia=D'eon's head with Robespierre.

Loved the last part with Robespierre and the mirror. Very cool - makes me want to watch 14 now (after I finish my STUPID MISTAKE of adding all the episode 13 credits as episode 12 credits!!!!

Now I have to edit them all again!!!) Also liked Durand's reactions.

An animator note: Episode 13 was directed, storyboarded, and correcetd all by one person - Daizen Komatsuda... He even did the layout!

Spoiler for just some n00b musings on the production:

MrProphet · 2006-12-01, 21:04

#14 was a most excellent episode!

The quality of genga work was beyond reproof. Good, simply, clean lines, very steady line and color work, confident animation. The tension in the scene where Durand was going to cut off Robin's hand was unbelievably well executed.

And everyone is still gay for Charles. 8)

wao · 2006-12-01, 21:52

...Ironic that it's a farmed-out episode, isn't it?

Shows how damn dedicated the main staff (esp. the animation directors) are when they can put in so much effort into correcting the lines and making what would have been mediocre, seem good. It's been like this for a number of episodes.

(Hint: 4 animation directors. And I suspect the segment you were talking about (which I like too) was either madly corrected or just redone entirely by one of them, and not credited.)

lommm · 2006-12-02, 07:41

what was with the preview for ep15? was Durand crying tears of blood? I knew Durand wasn't all he seemed to be! remember in ep3 when he let Beaumarchais go and said "Oh, it was so we could follow him." well, i've been readin books about D'Eon, and the real Durand hated, HATED, Louis XV, even though he was one of the top spies in Le Secret. i wonder is we'll start to see this come through in the story.

ep14 was one of the best episodes yet. story, structure, framing. i guess the Russian arc was what threw this off a little. i think it was one episode too long. maybe even 2...

ccardoso · 2006-12-03, 10:12

Yes but what about Lia's killer?!?

lommm · 2006-12-03, 16:22

you mean whether or not Robespierre did it?

well we can speculate as to who did it... maybe Durand, but we still only have circumstantial evidence. i have a feeling there is a huge twist coming soon. hell, maybe Louis XV killed her himself!

Doria · 2006-12-11, 18:49

I believe I'm on record as at least positing that Louis XV would be ultimately responsible for her death... (I can't imagine he personally would have done the deed, but ordered it, yeah I can see that; it will also explain why Eon by the end would be disillusioned enough to let the French Revolution go).

Still too many factions, though, to really say for sure.

MrProphet · 2006-12-12, 13:10

Oh, man, Durand is TEH ZORRO. I laughed hard when I saw him do the "Z" cut. 8)

Absolutely delightful episode. I loved the use of colors in many of the scenes as well as the unconventional camera perspectives. The story advanced forward and we got a tiny glimpse at the possible revelations of the mysterious Lia-Maximilien-Durand connection.

The era of sub-par Chevalier episodes is firmly behind us. This was certainly one of the most poignant episodes in the series that honorably followed in the footsteps of its predecessor. Let us hope for more episodes like that.

It's so sad that I am enjoying it in such a small (even if welcome) company, though.

glyph · 2006-12-13, 05:12

Spoiler for recit 15:

lommm · 2006-12-13, 05:44

i know what you mean, MrProphet. it's kind of sad that there aren't some insane number of fans on here. it's such a good show (as long as we fast forward through the Russian arc). but it's nice that we who frequent this thread appreciate and enjoy the show so much.

i really think 13 was great, 14 was better, and 15 is even better. the england arc is just awesome. not only is the animation and style back, but the english are sooo creepy!

@glyph: ima get back to ya

Doria · 2006-12-14, 02:25

Strangely, I was talking to... uh, someone... and they were saying, "Doria, you'll love the England arc because everyone is so creepy." So I guess it's official--3 out of 4 Cheva-lovers agree!

I've gotten a little delayed in my viewing, but I'm looking forward to getting out of Russia and into England, myself.

I know what you guys mean about not having more viewers, but after the first couple episodes, I didn't really expect it would garner a huge fanbase. It seems targeted for a more adult audience, and then the number who are likely to enjoy this particular kind of story seems narrower still. At the very least, we are in good company, as lommm says.

lommm · 2006-12-15, 04:11

yeah, it's seinen which, with only a few exceptions (death note, monster, mushishi), never really grabs the kind of audience that shounen grabs. plus, yes, men in dresses will automatically narrow the target audience. lol i guess i'm just surprised sometimes that more of the blood+ crowd isn't watching this.

and i believe you were talking to me when i said that... tee-hee

2006-11-24, 15:35	Link #261
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	dunno if anyone has the soundtrack, but it's pretty damn good. like a movie score. here is some of the booklet. it has the lyrics for the OP and ED, though only the ED is in English for some reason... maybe because it's already in English. lol http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet01.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet02.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet03.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet05.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet06.jpg http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2.../Booklet07.jpg Last edited by lommm; 2006-11-24 at 15:51.

2006-12-01, 07:36	Link #269
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 35	Was just catching up on some Chevalier D'Eon, and while I've gotten thoroughly confused as to what's going on, the art in episode 13 is pretty nice in some places. And I swear the way they were directing it, if there were any fujoshi for this show, they would have gone rioting after watching this episode. I personally kind of liked the flashback in Lia=D'eon's head with Robespierre. Loved the last part with Robespierre and the mirror. Very cool - makes me want to watch 14 now (after I finish my STUPID MISTAKE of adding all the episode 13 credits as episode 12 credits!!!! Now I have to edit them all again!!!) Also liked Durand's reactions. An animator note: Episode 13 was directed, storyboarded, and correcetd all by one person - Daizen Komatsuda... He even did the layout! Spoiler for just some n00b musings on the production: I've been sort of keeping out an eye for him because he's pretty good when it comes to subtle animation, and this episode showed some very surprising details. I don't know how to describe it - while on one hand oen part of me was frankly bored to tears, another part of me liked that indescribably subtle way of framing and continuing the story. Something about the very 'blandness' of it made you pay attention to the characters themselves. Silence was used to nice effect - especially when everyone was being very awkward among whatshisname annoyingperson. And then we cut into Robin going "WHAT is wrong with that guy?!!" So cute. Other details include the great drawings, and the beautiful backgrounds as usual. This episode, the lighting and colours felt more coordinated than the other episodes so far... By the way, Komatsuda is frequently seen with - I think his mentor? - Ikuo Kuwana, also a good animator noted for subtle animation, and an ex-Ghibli animator to boot. (Think along the same lines as Ken'ichi Yoshida, though not as noticeable as an individual perhaps.) Who was also along the ride here, by the way, along with Hajime Shimomura (character designer for GITS:SAC). Last time I saw all three of them together was that King of Fighters thing which was pretty neat. __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-12-01, 21:52	Link #271
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 35	...Ironic that it's a farmed-out episode, isn't it? Shows how damn dedicated the main staff (esp. the animation directors) are when they can put in so much effort into correcting the lines and making what would have been mediocre, seem good. It's been like this for a number of episodes. (Hint: 4 animation directors. And I suspect the segment you were talking about (which I like too) was either madly corrected or just redone entirely by one of them, and not credited.) __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-12-13, 05:12	Link #277
glyph Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Spoiler for recit 15: So why did Robespierre make Whitehead's head explode? Also, does "Robespierre" appearing on Dashwood's hand at the Abbey mean he knows who really did it?

2006-11-26, 10:00	Link #262
gknight shounen ai Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Israel Age: 37	is there shounen ai in this show? (considering the main character is a transvestite)

2006-11-27, 03:04	Link #263
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	not yet... at least not out right shounen ai... but it's come pretty close a couple of times... i woulldn't be surprised if we get there, because one of the main character, Durand, was in love with D'Eon's sister, Lia. D'Eon is dressing up like Lia and becoming possessed by her ghost. There have already been instances that show where Durand is still having feeling for Lia, and he might transfer them onto D'Eon. But it hasn't happened yet. I'd just ask back every few weeks, since i know you like shounen ai. we'll tell you if it has happened or not. also, one of the other main "male" characters, Robin, may actually be a girl.

2006-11-27, 06:54	Link #264
gknight shounen ai Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Israel Age: 37	thanks! :]

2006-11-28, 14:09	Link #265
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	Yeah, it's pretty hard for me to watch Durand longing after Lia (who is, unfortunately, alive only in Eon currently) without seeing at least some attenuated shounen-ai. But beyond that, I wouldn't say it's particularly strong in that category. Obviously, if you really want to see those kinds of pairings in it, you can find ways--Eon, to my mind, seems far more interested in pretty much any of his companions than he is in his ostensible fiancee, Anna. And as the obsessive speculation about his gender suggests, Robin is a bit on the girly side, though I'd submit that this is more due to the creators wanting to play up his youth and relative immaturity/lack of experience.

2006-11-29, 21:51	Link #266
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	i agree, i just like making a joke out of robin :P

2006-11-30, 20:27	Link #267
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	Everyone likes making a joke of Robin! Seriously, I actually wouldn't object to the series developing some of our main group's characters a teeny bit more. I do see some development with Eon... but that's about it. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that by the end, Robin will have grown up considerably, Durand will probably have sacrificed himself either a) heroically (and to be with Lia) or b) heroically (and to make up for having killed Lia... totally a random theory), and Teillagory will still be hanging out with women in the bar. Well, realistically, I suppose it's more likely that Teillagory will die b/c he is older so, not such a big loss maybe? But I'll be sad if that's the case, as he is my favorite. Durand is awesome, but those horrible, horrible boots just spoil his coolness factor for me every time.

2006-12-01, 06:38	Link #268
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	well, in reality Durand took a very long (30 years+) post in England... as a spy... in the foreiggn ministry... but he apparently hated Louis XV and felt that being in Le Secret meant that he was better than the king and more important to France... yeah, i've been reading my library books and i can't find a real teillagory.... there were people with similar names in Le Secret, but no one by that name in any of the D'Eon I have. quite a bit on Durand, in that D'Eon was often sent to the same place as Durand. so my money's on Old T dying... but of shock when Robin tries to turn him into a lolicon!

2006-12-01, 21:04	Link #270
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	#14 was a most excellent episode! The quality of genga work was beyond reproof. Good, simply, clean lines, very steady line and color work, confident animation. The tension in the scene where Durand was going to cut off Robin's hand was unbelievably well executed. And everyone is still gay for Charles. 8)

2006-12-02, 07:41	Link #272
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	what was with the preview for ep15? was Durand crying tears of blood? I knew Durand wasn't all he seemed to be! remember in ep3 when he let Beaumarchais go and said "Oh, it was so we could follow him." well, i've been readin books about D'Eon, and the real Durand hated, HATED, Louis XV, even though he was one of the top spies in Le Secret. i wonder is we'll start to see this come through in the story. ep14 was one of the best episodes yet. story, structure, framing. i guess the Russian arc was what threw this off a little. i think it was one episode too long. maybe even 2...

2006-12-03, 10:12	Link #273
ccardoso Banned Join Date: Feb 2004	Yes but what about Lia's killer?!?

2006-12-03, 16:22	Link #274
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	you mean whether or not Robespierre did it? well we can speculate as to who did it... maybe Durand, but we still only have circumstantial evidence. i have a feeling there is a huge twist coming soon. hell, maybe Louis XV killed her himself!

2006-12-11, 18:49	Link #275
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	I believe I'm on record as at least positing that Louis XV would be ultimately responsible for her death... (I can't imagine he personally would have done the deed, but ordered it, yeah I can see that; it will also explain why Eon by the end would be disillusioned enough to let the French Revolution go). Still too many factions, though, to really say for sure.

2006-12-12, 13:10	Link #276
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	Oh, man, Durand is TEH ZORRO. I laughed hard when I saw him do the "Z" cut. 8) Absolutely delightful episode. I loved the use of colors in many of the scenes as well as the unconventional camera perspectives. The story advanced forward and we got a tiny glimpse at the possible revelations of the mysterious Lia-Maximilien-Durand connection. The era of sub-par Chevalier episodes is firmly behind us. This was certainly one of the most poignant episodes in the series that honorably followed in the footsteps of its predecessor. Let us hope for more episodes like that. It's so sad that I am enjoying it in such a small (even if welcome) company, though.

2006-12-13, 05:44	Link #278
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	i know what you mean, MrProphet. it's kind of sad that there aren't some insane number of fans on here. it's such a good show (as long as we fast forward through the Russian arc). but it's nice that we who frequent this thread appreciate and enjoy the show so much. i really think 13 was great, 14 was better, and 15 is even better. the england arc is just awesome. not only is the animation and style back, but the english are sooo creepy! @glyph: ima get back to ya

2006-12-14, 02:25	Link #279
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	Strangely, I was talking to... uh, someone... and they were saying, "Doria, you'll love the England arc because everyone is so creepy." So I guess it's official--3 out of 4 Cheva-lovers agree! I've gotten a little delayed in my viewing, but I'm looking forward to getting out of Russia and into England, myself. I know what you guys mean about not having more viewers, but after the first couple episodes, I didn't really expect it would garner a huge fanbase. It seems targeted for a more adult audience, and then the number who are likely to enjoy this particular kind of story seems narrower still. At the very least, we are in good company, as lommm says.

2006-12-15, 04:11	Link #280
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	yeah, it's seinen which, with only a few exceptions (death note, monster, mushishi), never really grabs the kind of audience that shounen grabs. plus, yes, men in dresses will automatically narrow the target audience. lol i guess i'm just surprised sometimes that more of the blood+ crowd isn't watching this. and i believe you were talking to me when i said that... tee-hee