Gundam Wing

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Elo the Blue

You mean Epyon?

It's either that or Tallgeese (I or III).

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Engels

Alright, I was thinking...it may be that Romefeller Foundation is based on the Rockefeller Foundation. After all, they are simliar in various aspects besides the name: they're both private foundations, they are both philantrophic, they are both industrial, they're both freaking rich, and most importantly of all, they're both objects of conspiracy theories -- one by several right-wing writers, and the other by the show's creator.

And also they're kind of 'secret societies', so to speak...well, the real one at least is said to be so by those writers, being part of a huge scheme for taking down Western civilization -- while Romefeller is a major fomenter of war and one of the principal agents behind world affairs...

Well, is there any way to know the etymology of this name? 'Romefeller'?

I'm thinking among the same lines that Mariemaia Army is (obviously) a front for the Barton Foundation.

This isn't unique; I think that previous Gundam series may have used this.

As for Romefeller, don't forget that they also have a lot of power and influence, rivaled only by (the original) Heero Yuy and the Sanc Kingdom.

[Elo the Blue]

Originally Posted by Engels

You're right, they may have used this concept in other Gundans series; after all, Wing is somewhat of a collection of bits from other Gundans; but there's still the point of the names similarity -- this one is not common to the others, I believe. With this additional fact, it goes from a mere correlation to a simply borrowing.

As for the Barton Foundation, it is somewhat of a late addition to the universe, so it may be the writer simply repeating his own idea -- perhaps only the name would be changed. But IIRC, the activities of the Barton Foundation, and even it's goals, are much more less specified and explored than Romefeller's. In fact, I think it is par with 'post-Milliardo' Sanc Kingdom as a matter of poorly constructed background.

Viewers didn't of the Barton Foundation till EW but their influence was the heart of the events of the GW. They were the ones that funded Operation Meteor.

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by vblaze101

Hmm....I've recently been rewatching Gundam Wing (for like the 6th time) recently, and I must say I like it even more.......for the right reasons this time. Before, it was for the flash and destruction. This time, I'm genuinely interested in the political and social atmospheres of the series. Characters like Wufei and Zechs, both whom I couldn't care less for in the past have grown on me.

In all honesty, rewatching Gundam Wing makes me wonder how come it has recieved so much hate. I've heard people refer to the political/social dialogue in Wing as "nonsense" and "poorly thought ranting," but I'm beginning to wonder if those people made those comments because 1) they simply just don't have the mental capacity to comprehend what all the dialogue within the series was getting at; 2) they were so turned off by the numerous viewpoints and ideals presented in the series, they considered it all blasphemous. I mean yeah, Gundam Wing argueably has the most used "plot MS armor" than any other Gundam anime and the story gets a bit drawn out in those last 10 or 12 episodes......and I admit Relena isn't the most rational heroine, but other than those things (which aren't really all too serious), I think Gundam Wing is a great anime. I wish they'd make a Gundam vs. Zeta Gundam game for the Wing universe.

I didn't understand much of the series back when I watched it the first time (even though each episode used to be repeated 5 times per week, and I would watch them all). I watched GW in arabic for the first time; when I saw the ad for GW, I thought any other silly machine anime and didn't watch it. But once when I was flipping through the channels, I saw the next episode spoilers where a guy (I found out he was Heero later) pulling a gun on a girl (Relena :P) who instead of screaming, bowed. I was pretty amused and I decided to watch what happens next (during night, GW was aired back to back with multiple episodes).

After that I was just hooked. Till now, I have watched Gundam Wing maybe 20 times, learned half the episdoes by heart in both Arabic and Ebglish (though less in English) and I still love that series. I understood the series after rewatching it a couple of times.
It's the only series in my opinion, which has such in-depth meaning to it, dealing with history and human, and such solid character development. To boost it, it has cute characters, entertaining plotline, kind of weird humor (what will al the craziness happening), and it's just plain good.

I was surprised reading the comments here; it's the first time I saw pople talking negatively about Gundam Wing. I have usually come across people who like the anime. It was so popular, that OVA and mangas and stuff were created.

Oh well, I don't care. I love Gundam Wing, there are plenty others who do, the fandom isn't totally dead yet despite the fact that GW was aired in 1995 and I hope that Lazyfatboi, you watch it again ^_^ It is pretty entertaining.

And I agree with vblaze101, completely! I wish for a game, especially now that they are bringing out 'Frozen Teardrop Novel'.

[Elo the Blue]

Originally Posted by Star-Wing

...the fandom isn't totally dead yet despite the fact that GW was aired in 1995...

I'd say the fandom is still pretty strong. There are numerous sites almost solely dedicated to fan fiction regarding the characters.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Elo the Blue

I'd say the fandom is still pretty strong. There are numerous sites almost solely dedicated to fan fiction regarding the characters.

And the sad thing is that the majority of the fanfics are yaoi fanfics, esp. the Heero x Duo pairing, despite the fact that said pairing is non-canon.

Heero x Relena is as close to canon as you can get, esp. in Blind Target and Battlefield of Pacifists, which were written by the members of the Wing writing team. Another pairings that are more-or-less canon include Zechs x Noin and Treize x Une.

On a side note, Masashi Ikeda (the series director) said in a 1998 interview with Animerica magazine said that he never intended for Wing to have romantic overtones (i.e., which applies to all pairings) and he felt that the political aspects were more important.

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

And the sad thing is that the majority of the fanfics are yaoi fanfics, esp. the Heero x Duo pairing, despite the fact that said pairing is non-canon.

Heero x Relena is as close to canon as you can get, esp. in Blind Target and Battlefield of Pacifists, which were written by the members of the Wing writing team. Another pairings that are more-or-less canon include Zechs x Noin and Treize x Une.

On a side note, Masashi Ikeda (the series director) said in a 1998 interview with Animerica magazine said that he never intended for Wing to have romantic overtones (i.e., which applies to all pairings) and he felt that the political aspects were more important.

Yea, there are too many 1x2 fanfics. Not that I hate it or anything, but I prefer to read stories where the main focus isn't romance. Like 'A diamond so dark', 'unmade promises can't be broken', 'mistaken words', and there are others, though I forgot their names (hmm...there was a nice one with a new zero system where Trowa got under its influence and tried to take out the other pilots. There was even a 4 armed mecha).

Masashi Ikeda did say that? How did I miss that! Because I have always viewed Gundam Wing that way; never did focus much on the romantic overtones (actually, the first time I watched it, I barely even caught the 3 main ones you mentioned ^.^

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by Elo the Blue

I'd say the fandom is still pretty strong. There are numerous sites almost solely dedicated to fan fiction regarding the characters.

Yeah, and I feel fanfiction.net has the most number of fics on Gundam Wing; and the number continues to grow everyday O_O

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Star-Wing

Masashi Ikeda did say that? How did I miss that! Because I have always viewed Gundam Wing that way; never did focus much on the romantic overtones (actually, the first time I watched it, I barely even caught the 3 main ones you mentioned ^.^

I think I read somewhere that when he created the original Gundam, Tomino wanted to attract a female audience. Wing (which Tomino was not involved with) apparently succeeded.

As for the 1 x R pairing, it very much inspired both the Kira x Lacus and Athrun x Cagalli pairings, which made sense, since Kira/Athrun and Lacus/Cagalli were SEED's equivalent of Heero and Relena, respectively.

I've read in a post somewhere on this forum that the 1 x R pairing is very much a Japanese-style romance.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...48#post3108348

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

I think I read somewhere that when he created the original Gundam, Tomino wanted to attract a female audience. Wing (which Tomino was not involved with) apparently succeeded.

As for the 1 x R pairing, it very much inspired both the Kira x Lacus and Athrun x Cagalli pairings, which made sense, since Kira/Athrun and Lacus/Cagalli were SEED's equivalent of Heero and Relena, respectively.

I've read in a post somewhere on this forum that the 1 x R pairing is very much a Japanese-style romance.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...48#post3108348

Oh, so in English, Japanese-style romance means subtle romance....anyway, from what I understood. If it's true, then I think Heero and Relena do fall in that category to some extent. Like in that episode when Heero and Quatre are staying in Sanq, and Relena asks Heero to promise her not to leave before telling her. Heero and Relena do have loads of eye contact going on. There's even a scene where Relena and Heero are sitting on a bench (before Dorothy interrupts)....to name a few.
But I don't really mind whatever pairing is there, as long as it makes sense and seems nice...1xR does make sense to me.

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Star-Wing

Oh, so in English, Japanese-style romance means subtle romance....anyway, from what I understood. If it's true, then I think Heero and Relena do fall in that category to some extent. Like in that episode when Heero and Quatre are staying in Sanq, and Relena asks Heero to promise her not to leave before telling her. Heero and Relena do have loads of eye contact going on. There's even a scene where Relena and Heero are sitting on a bench (before Dorothy interrupts)....to name a few.
But I don't really mind whatever pairing is there, as long as it makes sense and seems nice...1xR does make sense to me.

I'll admit that I never understood how romance in Japan works.

[Elo the Blue]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

And the sad thing is that the majority of the fanfics are yaoi fanfics, esp. the Heero x Duo pairing, despite the fact that said pairing is non-canon.

Heero x Relena is as close to canon as you can get, esp. in Blind Target and Battlefield of Pacifists, which were written by the members of the Wing writing team. Another pairings that are more-or-less canon include Zechs x Noin and Treize x Une.

On a side note, Masashi Ikeda (the series director) said in a 1998 interview with Animerica magazine said that he never intended for Wing to have romantic overtones (i.e., which applies to all pairings) and he felt that the political aspects were more important.

Yep. It's pretty sad the majority of the fanfics are Yaoi. And it's even worse the extent to which people will argue that their canon shipping is valid.

Regardless, there are some really good and original GW fics. One guy made a fic featuring GW's characters in a real-world crime drama.

Duo x Hilde, Zechs x Noin, Treize x Une are definitely canon in my book. I don't want to start a "what relationship is more canon" debate but unlike Heero and Relena, someone in the pairings I mentioned actually expressed their feelings for the other or enough was implied to see they were a couple.

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by Elo the Blue

Yep. It's pretty sad the majority of the fanfics are Yaoi. And it's even worse the extent to which people will argue that their canon shipping is valid.

Regardless, there are some really good and original GW fics. One guy made a fic featuring GW's characters in a real-world crime drama.

Duo x Hilde, Zechs x Noin, Treize x Une are definitely canon in my book. I don't want to start a "what relationship is more canon" debate but unlike Heero and Relena, someone in the pairings I mentioned actually expressed their feelings for the other or enough was implied to see they were a couple.

I have kept myself reasonably away from all the pairing wars; they seem too complicated and scary to me. (And any good non-romance focused fic recommendation? =P)
Btw, I was wondering, is there a Gundam Wing group on animesuki?

[Rising Dragon]

There's only four Gundam social groups on ASuki, and none of them deal with Gundam Wing.

[wingzerosnuggles]

Originally Posted by Elo the Blue

Duo x Hilde, Zechs x Noin, Treize x Une are definitely canon in my book. I don't want to start a "what relationship is more canon" debate but unlike Heero and Relena, someone in the pairings I mentioned actually expressed their feelings for the other or enough was implied to see they were a couple.

If you look hard enough, Heero got to second base with Relena in EW. I do wonder if it was an inside joke that he nuzzled her before passing out. xD So yeah, canon in my book.

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

There's only four Gundam social groups on ASuki, and none of them deal with Gundam Wing.

Thanks for the reply but that made me sad I was hoping there was one...

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Star-Wing

Thanks for the reply but that made me sad I was hoping there was one...

So, how do we form one? I'm up for that.

The unofficial members would be myself, wingzerosnuggles, Star-Wing, Elo the Blue, and Kitsoru, since we're the ones that are talking about Wing the most.

[Rising Dragon]

Just go to the Social Groups section in the Community dropdown menu, then click on Create a New Group down at the bottom of the page.

[Star-Wing]

Originally Posted by Washu-Chan

So, how do we form one? I'm up for that.

The unofficial members would be myself, wingzerosnuggles, Star-Wing, Elo the Blue, and Kitsoru, since we're the ones that are talking about Wing the most.

Hey, I was about to suggest the same too, but I was off searching how to start a group =P I am going to sleep now, but after I wake up, I will read the rules and then we will see (or maybe I will just join the group if it's already up by that time =D)

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Star-Wing

Hey, I was about to suggest the same too, but I was off searching how to start a group =P I am going to sleep now, but after I wake up, I will read the rules and then we will see (or maybe I will just join the group if it's already up by that time =D)

http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=601

I just opened one up.

Please note that this is a moderated group.