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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 94 | 58.39% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 41 | 25.47% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 6.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.86% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 3.11% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.24% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 3.73% | |
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2008-09-05, 11:01 | Link #263 |
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You mean is Sheryl keeping him there against his will? Or using her illness for pity points? No. Everything leading up to him saying he'll stay with her is him. Sheryl knows Ranka is gone, but she doesn't know the extent of what has happened. So, she's not the one holding him back. If he is using her an excuse and wants to go, that's his problem - not hers. He needs to figure it out.
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2008-09-05, 11:07 | Link #264 |
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I think Klan was the one who told him about Sheryl's illness, remember what she told Alto back in ep 21 and what had happened to her love? So I think Klan is trying to avoid the same thing happening to them that happened to her.
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2008-09-05, 11:09 | Link #265 | |
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This is what I call a short end for a pair. The guy find out about the girl dying and they end together ? This doesn't sound like a win situation. Quote:
All the hints in episode 1,3,6,7,10 ,12,13,15,17,20,21 ... make alto and ranka 's relationship a strong one. Quote:
But to go as far as to tell it was a love scene, or the emotion from the both were loves ones... I will not do it. It sure looked like a love scene if you just focus on the hug , the, " I will stay with you until the end if you want to sing"... But she cried first and they zoomed on the tears with a Alto who was shocked to see that. People don't want to see it like that?.... well, each his point of view. Quote:
It was indeed the right time for a confession. When you learn you love one is dying, the first thing is to tell you love her no ? Why didn't he say it ? People saw a kiss which I didn't saw but don't want to see that there might be a reason other than it wasn't the time, for what he didn't confessed.. It surprises me, people can see a tender look from alto in episode 20 and saying..." that's it, he loves her ", " this look tells a lot.." But it was a while, so if he did have feeling for her since he looked at her like a lover would have do, why now didn't he express it with words ? It was the perfect time for me. He didn't say anything to Ranka since it's not like Sheryl. Ranka was the weapon against the vajra, and she didn't tell him she hurts each time they kill the vajra. People said Ranka doesn't know anything about Alto but now it became the contrary. Alto doesn't know anything more about her anymore... Quote:
I saw it like a guy who saw the last friend of him(Luca was never that close to him) desperate right in from of him, so much, that he cannot do anything else than to hug her and tell her what a friend should tell to another. Love is a big word for this act from Alto. He doesn't even know she loves him and I bet you he will be more shocked than how he was with Ranka when he will find out. Quote:
You said it well. He tried to comply to what he believes is her wish. He didn't understand why Ranka leaved and I think he still doesn't. When he will found out from Bilrer about Ranka, we will see who 's needs he will put first. Quote:
But now that Ranka is gone, and he didn't chase her, yet, obviously she may tend to think he has more feeling for her than Ranka. honestly, I'm not too sure that was a kiss at the end. Thanks! Quote:
I already explained the thing to your friend , so no need to bring this up again. But for a person who quoted my whole post just to reply " yawn", I think I'm really pleased, because I see how you keep your course of action : " Do what I tell, but do not, what I do ".... Glad to see at no time I did it. Looks like we have a different approach of the term immaturity. Quote:
It's not because I tried to show you that a romance relationship existed between these two, using one episode for it , that I said this happenned just in this episode... Quote:
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He just knows now ,that she lied to him because didn't want him to worry about her. And yes he is that dense and doesn't know what he should really do . Ozma told him the truth at the end, it was not for nothing...... Quote:
Her " sayonara " at the end shows well how much she beholded her emotion and supressed her sadness to tell him this words( the zoom in alto's face and Ranka's eyes and lips prooves it well). She finally tell him, she loved him at the past. Not that she not love him anymore. But that she will not see him again so there is no need to keep hoping for something impossible to happen now. Your blinded love for Sheryl make you miss a lot of improvement made by Ranka. Quote:
I don't know why you tell about Klan and Mickail. They killed him to force the growth of Alto by making him take a decision and choose his girl. Mikhail wasn't for Sheryl to win Alto over Ranka if it's what you mean. He did tell Alto they both had feelings for him. He was aware of Ranka's feelings at the beginning and said it to Alto like towards the end he told Alto about Sheryl. Klan was the one who supported alto and Sheryl but she was the one who tell Alto the truth too.... She is the one who made him stay with sheryl at that time, because Sheryl didn't want to do it. The worst is not that Klan is the one who compelled him to stay with Sheryl but that it happenned before he could make up his mind about who he really loves. You said that: Giving us a AxR ending would be the most inconsistent conclusion in Macross, if not anime history. . And I respond you that making Alto choose Sheryl at the end will be the worst pair I would have seen in anime since they made him find out she's dying before telling her his feeling( if he had ones). This is why I think this( Alto finding out the truth by Klan, moreover before he could made his mind) is for your pairing, The straw that broke the camel's back. |
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2008-09-05, 14:35 | Link #268 |
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I have to agree with Crusader's blogpost assessment of Ranka, she simply is too immature to have any real relationship with Alto even up to now, and as for whatever issues regarding Alto's prior hesitation towards Sheryl, well crap happens all the time with real life relationships, expecting everything to go perfectly is just wishful thinking. Alto no matter what his issues made the decision to stay with Sheryl on his own wherewithal, and even though it may not be the best of circumstances, as stated before, c'est la vie.
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2008-09-05, 14:56 | Link #269 | |
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You think Alto has chosen Sheryl out of pity because she's dying? Well, Ranka at the same time is going to Vajraland alone with Brera. He could protect her from danger but you could also say that Sheryl's still safe on Frontier and not going to die in a day or two. Ranka OTOH could die at anytime by the hand of those monsters who have killed his bestfriend. As far as Alto knew, both of their lives were at risk. And he chose to stay behind with Sheryl and not go find Ranka even though Ozma asked him to protect her. You know what? Ranka has already confessed to Alto BEFORE he found out about Sheryl's disease. One way or another, Alto knew he would have to hurt one girl's feeling! Hell, he didn't even know of Sheryl's feeling toward him. Both the girls needed him, yet he chose to be with Sheryl. Alto would be the biggest asshole in the anime history if he ever thought, "Hey Sheryl doesn't have much time left, I just have to play along for now in order to have her R.I.P, and then let's give Ranka a call" That's exactly the reason why SherylxAlto is the only possible good end. |
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2008-09-05, 15:10 | Link #270 |
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Well, I'd prefer for Sheryl to be cured and Alto stays by her side. Just because that would prove to Ranka fans beyond doubt that he chose Sheryl over Ranka. If they continue it as it is and Alto does pick Sheryl but she doesn't get cured there will be fights until the end of the world over whether Alto picked her over pity or because he truly loves her. I want a definitive ending where there can be no doubts or arguments over who the real final pairing is.
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2008-09-05, 15:11 | Link #271 | |
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Ranka on the other hand, never performed the same self-sacrifice or anything remotely equal to that of Sheryl. She took everything for granted ever since Ozma adopted her into his home. She took Alto for granted regardless of the fact that the two were never on a date, or in a relationship to begin with. She is clouded in her own cocoon that she is completely oblivious to the realities beyond it. Quote:
Moreover, if you think Ranka needs protection, then I am afraid you are dreadfully wrong. She has Berera and an entire homeworld of bugs. And what of Berera? He had expressed a better understanding of Ranka and Alto ever did in the past 20 episodes, and was the one to be there when Ranka needed someone the most. If any pairing should happen between Ranka, Berera would be the rightful choice if they were unrelated (which is still in speculation). I wonder, what, at the end of the show, would be Berera's reward for sacrificing himself for the sake of Ranka? Quote:
Never mind that She never supported Sheryl in anything she does nor considered her feelings. On the other hand, Sheryl had been one of Ranka's biggest supporters. What gives? You call that fair. Search your conscious, you seriously call that fair? Ha! Quote:
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If Alto is one to break promises, then yeah, maybe it'd be a good idea for him to stay with Ranka, no less because Alto is equally a moron as Ranka and that Sheryl is too good for him. - Tak
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2008-09-05, 17:04 | Link #277 | |
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You know people this episodes wasn't really a Sheryl counter in a way.... I mean she, Sheryl herself didn't really do anything, unlike Ranka she hasn't confessed yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up with Alto confessing first. Also I really don't know how people missed the kiss scene, it was rather obvious considering the way Alto was holding Sheryl's head, how Alto's head titled as the camera started to pan up and both their heads moved towards each other....
@ Seifall I lol'd when you listed episode 17 as a good thing for your pairing, I was appalled at that and said in IRC something like "If I was an AxR shipper I would be completely pissed at what happened this episode". It did not paint their relationship in a good light period. I really suggest you do 2 things, 1) try and understand scenes more, you've completely misinterpreted so many scenes it's not funny. 2 ) Look at things from different angles, you might think I'm a massive SherylxAlto shipper and that I'm blind to everything else but that's not true. I look at everything, if I think the pairing I like is doomed I'll say so, I haven't got a pairing wrong in the last year and I've been watching and reading a lot of romance anime and manga in that period. Quote:
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2008-09-05, 17:27 | Link #278 | |
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it had two moons so it is not earth but an earth like world which is what all the macross frontier type of colonies are looking for. |
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2008-09-05, 18:25 | Link #280 |
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Oh, by the way, just a note:
Macross main pairings never confess to each other with words like "I love you" or something similar. The closest thing they will ever do is 1. through action (ie. kiss) 2. or say stuff like "I will stay by your side" "I have decided to be with you"... etc. - Tak
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