2009-01-22, 01:41 | Link #262 |
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Because some people if not most just seems able to relate themselves with weak ass hero type, especially harem ones (I'm looking at you Minato (Sekirei)). They simply won't bash this type of heroes because their weakness and pansyness is a given.
When we finally got an uber super saiyajin hero who seems cool and composed, reluctant to fight, but nevertheless has a good heart, people just expect him to do everything. |
2009-01-22, 02:07 | Link #263 | |
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Why don't we ever see anyone asking to ban anime on that ground? After all, anime is propagating a culture of irresponsibility (or anti-responsibility), where the greatest rewards come free to people for being what they are (being kind-hearted), but not for what they do, where weakness is glorified, and where even if individual responsibility and strength of character develop eventually, that first initial contact (i.e. the harem forming, or that superpower, or whatever) comes free and has nothing to do with any effort to come along. This in turn makes the whole hikikomori syndrome self-perpetuating, as people buy more and more anime with those exact themes waiting for their luck to fall upon them instead of working...indefinitely it turns out. Mothers against anime! Unite! All I hear these days is anime should be banned due to violence, gore, and other such superficial censorship ideas. Bah. Boring. Incidentally, I rather like the characters in Regios. I'm just bored and nitpicking... |
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2009-01-22, 02:10 | Link #264 | |
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2009-01-22, 02:15 | Link #265 |
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Now that i think about it, the best way would just be to stab himself. But may be it would have been too GAR, lol.
Agree, the process of how he did it is what matters. But the president sure has enough power to force Layfon into whatever he wants, after he confirmed his battle power. But why he continues going through all the trouble. I guess he cares about public opinion, and want Layfon to reveal his power publicity. So even "trying to win" and using some portion of the power he already showed before would still give the president excuse to put him into use no matter what latter. Also as i said, Layfon does not know the strength of others teammate well, nor the enemies. So to persuade himself into his favor was completely normal. Spoiler for .:
But i don't even know why we are arguing. So I'm going back to my main point: you expect our protagonist to even think of all of this? It's hard to sort it out even with all the writing, man |
2009-01-22, 02:18 | Link #266 | ||
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Consider your average 9-to-5 average joe. Let's say he knows he's deathly allergic to cats. You can bet that he's not going to put himself in a situation voluntarily where he's exposed to even the possibility of being in contact with a lot of cats. He's not going to put himself in a situation where he knows it'll lead to him being unhappy or worse. This is the same situation. Reyfon knows what he wants. He knows what he would do in various situations. He should not allow himself to be placed in a situation where his involuntary actions will force him to act against what he wants. Quote:
I'm not implying he should predict the future here. But since the very issue is his future and the path he wants to take (and the path he used to take), wouldn't it make sense for him to have at least thought about it a bit? Just a little bit of consideration about his own life would have led him down the very debate we just took, and he would have been able to avoid almost all of the pitfalls he walked into himself. |
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2009-01-22, 02:24 | Link #267 |
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Okay, this is breaking down into i (we) say: "he shouldn't know this. It's complex" and you say "he should know it, it's common sense"
I DO NOT think all those pages arguing were just about common sense, for a teenager in confusion. The thing i often see is: "If i do this...If i do that...Argh, it's too complex. I really hate this mess. Tommorow i will just do it like this, damn it." Tell me if it's not shounen-like. Last edited by Cinocard; 2009-01-22 at 10:41. |
2009-01-22, 02:35 | Link #268 | |
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Ah well... fair enough. We'll just leave it at that. I still don't feel it's plausible that anyone in such a situation could have come up with the "solution" Reyfon tried and thought it was a good idea under the circumstances, but well, I'll just be willing to suspend my belief for now since the anime's so entertaining |
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2009-01-22, 02:36 | Link #269 | |
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@taelrak. Not going to keep posting serious reponses, since you apparently have ridiculously high standard a teenager who just moved to a new city and working/studying at the same time to make ends meet. So I'll just second the post above mine and leave it at that. Edit: Or perhaps it's just me since I've moved to a foreign country for my study and work at the same time. So perhaps I'm just feeling kindly towards Layfan? |
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Also, this situation is not comparable to an actual combat situation with lives on stake. He has already shown to not hesitate when the need to actually save someone arises (episode1). This is a situation where he can afford not to do anything. It would be quite bad if someone failed to make the difference between actual combat and a mock training battle. Stroking Nina's ego is not among the most critical tasks. Quote:
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2009-01-22, 02:45 | Link #272 | |
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Yeah, his wish is actually absurd in itself. One day it will come down to *turning back at people dying* lol. This just tells how naive he is. Anyway, anybody has an idea of when a HQ version for ep 2 come out? I just like it better to have a HQ in my collection. Does Ayako even do a HQ version, or is there just Yuurisan-subs? |
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Also, to take the drill analogy further, there's also a difference in strength and discipline. Even if you had the strongest fighter in your regiment, if he lacks discipline, then he's only valuable to the extent that you can control him. Drilling also bolsters morale and unity and the discipline and rules within the platoon and the army as a whole. If he can be an exception just because he's strong, discipline will be undermined, as will faith in the unity of the platoon as a whole. Quote:
Yet, it's a fair assumption to say that better ranked teams (from contest results) get more important positions in the overall real battle. It's also a fair assumption to say that these positions should reflect the skill levels of the teams, their compositions, and their comparative strengths. If you're hiding your true strength to begin with, then you are not giving a good assessment of your abilities to place you in the most advantageous position. Consider if Reyfon never revealed himself, they lost, and were placed somewhere on the left flank where little combat takes place. That's a huge lost opportunity for their side if Reyfon never even sees combat and isn't forced to fight despite his wishes. This is also disruptive in that other teams more or less suited might displace them in the spot they *should* have gotten. If we believe the premise that an optimal tactical placement of teams leads to a better chance of victory (and we have no reason not to), then it should naturally follow that a suboptimal placement of teams would lead to a lower chance of victory. Quote:
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Also, his lack of hesitation in episode 1 was a flashback, so for purposes of this contest, I don't find it too useful. As for the lives at stake point - lives ARE at stake - just not in this instant combat. Yet, just because it's indirect and one step removed doesn't make those lives any less at stake in the long run. I'm not saying they may be lost, but they are certainly at stake since his actions here do affect the city's probability of victory in the real battle. Quote:
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I guess we can only agree to disagree whether the outcome of said fight actually benefits the city as a whole, or Nina's ego mostly. There is no immediate benefit, and long-term benefits (if any) are hard to judge without actually having a look at the initial platoon placement during the inter city matches. If we are talking about Layfon himself specifically being in a good position though, i believe advancing faster than the rest would be of little issue to him if need be.
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2009-01-22, 04:10 | Link #275 |
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From what you said I can see that Layfon was really a hero and super genius....
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Heh I wonder if the news of Layfon's power will spread to other towns... ^^ since there is a possibility that the news will come to Grendan xD and people who thinked that he droped fighting might get interested XD and so like in many animes/mangas we could expect transfer students ;] maybe people that we saw in ep1 fightign that monster..... that would be funny |
2009-01-22, 07:37 | Link #277 |
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The latest episode pretty much backed my Final Fantasy 8 suspicions. It looks like all domed cities fight in a live-fire only to back away peacefully if the winning conditions are met. Basically the same idea as the Seeds and Gardens (domes/cities) in FF8.
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2009-01-22, 08:15 | Link #278 |
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Yeah, to have military school in a fantasy world gives off lots of FF8 vibes.
But Garden in FF8 do not fight each other. And once is mercenary, other is for self military force. There's only 3 Garden in FF8 anyway. I'm sure The storyline will separate them soon enough |
2009-01-22, 08:31 | Link #279 | |
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If anything, I'd say Layfon's "street smart" is almost non-existent. |
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