[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Workworkwork

No, I meant the kind of character Erika is, although played completely straight. That is, MAGIC RIKA CLONE INJECTED WITH MARY-SUE THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING AND HANDILY SOLVES EVERYTHING IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE!

God I hate that bitch so much.

[Ithekro]

Well it would be something if she actually solved everything. But no, she's more like us...thinking we've solved everything and jumping down character's throats to do it.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Kitsu

You mean another Erika, means most tragic character ever due the fact that Erika's character will never feel cause she was only meant for solving the riddle. a lonely and sad girl? Who doesn't have any friends?

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Well it would be something if she actually solved everything. But no, she's more like us...thinking we've solved everything and jumping down character's throats to do it.

... I just meant a mary-sue. For anime-only viewers, I'm sure they will make someone LIKE Erika, who is a partial Mary-Sue.

[Jan-Poo]

who is mary-sue?

[Evy]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

who is mary-sue?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_sue

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

who is mary-sue?

Oh boy... This requires a bit of explanation, but I'll iet TV Tropes do it for me.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

who is mary-sue?

No wonder you hate Erika so much!

[Jan-Poo]

Lol I never knew of this Mary-Sue before, but I think I grasped the concept.

Well I don't think Erika is Ryukishi's Mary Sue, especially seeing how many Epic Failures she made in a single arc, but she does look like Bern's Mary-Sue. Another reason to think Bern's and Lambda's game was an very bad written story.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Well I don't think Erika is Ryukishi's Mary Sue, especially seeing how many Epic Failures she made in a single arc, but she does look like Bern's Mary-Sue. Another reason to think Bern's and Lambda's game was an very bad written story.

Erika is a parody of a typical Mary Sue-type character.

It's her situation and position as a 15-year-old detective, really.

[Jan-Poo]

I always thought she was a parody of a metagaming character of a pen and paper RPG. But it's not like there is much of a difference, since Mary-Sues in fanfics are basically the alter ego of the author that defy laws of logic, common sense and physic just to appear cooler.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Erika is a parody of a typical Mary Sue-type character.

It's her situation and position as a 15-year-old detective, really.

Maybe it's not the best time to admit I secretly ship BattlErika including, but not limited to, because I believe Erika is the Rika from Saikoroshi-hen.

[Jan-Poo]

If in that Kakera Rika was bound to become such a bitch in 3 years then I'm glad she didn't choose it.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

If in that Kakera Rika was bound to become such a bitch in 3 years then I'm glad she didn't choose it.

Either that, or my other thought is she had a falling-out with her friends after splitting with Bernkastel. Bern ruined Ange's life pretty handily, so who's to say she didn't do the same to her old self?

[Ithekro]

That would imply the others are still alive as well...somewhere.

Though "Erika" would have a bone to pick with Bern if she remembered being Rika.

Erika is more or less Battler in the first game, but with an understanding of how things work. She is more or less the players put into the situation without the knowledge (or perhaps care) of the family events and reasonings for things. She frankly doesn't care. She just wants the mystery solved in the terms of Who and maybe How...she doesn't care about Why.

[Jan-Poo]

Are you sure about that? I think she's more like the Battler of episode4. Untill Episode3 Battler didn't even want to think about the idea that the culprit was one of the 18. In episode1 he defended Natsuhi from Eva, without making any other accusation. In Episode2 he defended Kanon from Rosa, without suggesting any other culprit.

Only starting from Episode3 Battler begins to accuse people without any real proof, but just because "it could have been them".

[Ithekro]

Unlike Battler, she doesn't have family connections...so she doesn't care on that point.

[Jan-Poo]

Battler defended even Gohda who he never met before, 'though.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

That would imply the others are still alive as well...somewhere.

Though "Erika" would have a bone to pick with Bern if she remembered being Rika.

Erika is more or less Battler in the first game, but with an understanding of how things work. She is more or less the players put into the situation without the knowledge (or perhaps care) of the family events and reasonings for things. She frankly doesn't care. She just wants the mystery solved in the terms of Who and maybe How...she doesn't care about Why.

Really? I think she could have just changed her name out of guilt.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Erika is a parody of a typical Mary Sue-type character.

It's her situation and position as a 15-year-old detective, really.

Yeah basically. Mary-sues normally parallel the creator of the sue, and considering how much Erika looks like Bern.

Erika is meant more or less though to parody players and Battler from EP 1-4, who don't seem to care about the culprit but rather disproving magic. I wonder how anime viewers would react to her.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Marion

Yeah basically. Mary-sues normally parallel the creator of the sue, and considering how much Erika looks like Bern.

Erika is meant more or less though to parody players and Battler from EP 1-4, who don't seem to care about the culprit but rather disproving magic. I wonder how anime viewers would react to her.

I'm sure some of them have already thought up their own Mary-sue that coincidentally happens to be similar to Erika.