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I would have. Spotting Sumire's tell is such a long shot, no matter how you look at it. If there was a team pouring over tapes, maybe it would've been spotted eventually. |
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2013-02-07, 21:17 | Link #2822 | |
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Let's compare this to, say, the quarterfinal captain's match in the main manga. Toyone's abilities were purposely hidden from prying eyes, and as a result, when she revealed them, everyone's reaction was one of surprise - once for each ability, in fact. Kyouko didn't even believe the ability at first since it was never on the records, and thus fell into it multiple times. Similarly, when Kasumi revealed her own one suit ability, it took a while before any of the other three players figured out what was going on. All of this is appropriate for what hidden or hard-to-notice abilities should be like. In Achiga, aside from all of this being an eleventh hour power, powers that are explicitly stated to be hard or impossible to notice (Mairu/Himeko), should be impossible for just one person to pick up on without knowing where to look (Sumire), and stuff that no one else should possibly know (Awai) somehow can't escape her eyes. Also, somehow, she's the only one who knows! And Kuro's skill remains stagnant, as if for some reason she's still depending on her doras despite visual proof that she can do nothing against skilled players - almost as if Harue just gave up on her and is just making tentative efforts. All of this, of course, after a pretty lengthy drama where the Achiga team suspects that their coach has abandoned them. That means that either all of the Achiga girls (especially Yuu, since her flashback was explicitly in Achiga's campus) are forgetful enough to not even remember that their coach was prepping them against Shirotodai players, or...I can't even find another explanation for this >.>. If Hisa/Yumi suddenly started knowing about things like this or acting blatantly sue-ish with no explanation, then yeah, I think we would call BS on that as well. However, Hisa and Yumi's analysis were typically very consistent, and never exceeded what a observant person might gather after viewing someone's past records. Hisa is a sneaky player and a sneaky trainer, not a god. Harue seems more like she just suddenly awakened her omniscience off-panel after 12 full chapters. (It doesn't help that Achiga's mahjong games, so far, have all been people throwing more shining finger at each other. The main manga is very much about mahjong, and uses the actual game rules to deliver more insights about the character. Achiga, at this point, is as much about mahjong as Prince of Tennis is about a father and son's relationship.) EDIT: Baidu definitely suggests that Monkey has some sort of imagine breaker ability. Still, I'd rather wait for Yuriproject - I've learned my lesson on how trusting random commentary on Baidu isn't always a good idea =p. Last edited by Felyndiira; 2013-02-07 at 21:32. |
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2013-02-08, 10:26 | Link #2825 |
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It is kind of comical how we all just accept Teru's ability to magically know everything about you down to your shoe size through her mirror and yet when Harue figures things out through persistence, observation, and perhaps photographic memory we nitpick it apart.
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2013-02-08, 11:01 | Link #2826 |
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You explained exactly why I'm nit picking right in your post. I have to accept Teru's mirror unconditionally because it's been stated as part of the magical mahjong hax that exists in Saki universe by numerous pros, commentators and players. Because if I can't accept all the rinshan/haitei/supernova/mirror hax that exists as part of this universe, I would have quit reading Saki by now. If Ritz had explained Harue's "eagle-eye ability" as one of her skills, I'd have no choice but to accept that too. But as teja208 says, it would've been nice if Ritz dropped some hints about this ability earlier in the series if that's the case. Whereas the "persistence, observation, and perhaps photographic memory" are subject to common sense and logic, and I've seen no reasonable explanation how Harue spotted some minute detail that dozens of other skilled pros missed. :P
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2013-02-08, 11:36 | Link #2827 |
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Sorry to interrupt the conversation. I just realized something.
Toyone. I forgot about Toyone. Awai's power is Double Riichi!!! Toyone's power is Pursuit Riichi!!! By mechanics, Toyone's power should trump Awai's. Badly.
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2013-02-08, 12:48 | Link #2829 |
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But it's also possible for her to do pursuit riichi and got double riichi as a result too. We never see both of them fight head-on so we can't say for certain who'll get the upper hand when that happened.
I got the impression that she can do pursuit riichi regardless of the situation at hand based on her match with Saki.
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2013-02-08, 14:14 | Link #2831 |
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Whilst I don't like Harue managing to spot every other detail either, a character having some ability no one heard about it is nothing new in Achiga. I mean, Ryuuka just developed some super-power because Toki slept on her lap! And now Shizu is supposed to have some power no one knew about.
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2013-02-08, 18:26 | Link #2834 | |
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As for me... I just sit back, read and enjoy the discussion... well maybe post from time to time... for me who doesn't know how to play majhong, every time our majhong experts talk about heavy majhong details I'm like... "I don't really get what they're talking about but it sounds COOL~"
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2013-02-08, 19:50 | Link #2835 | |
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2013-02-08, 20:15 | Link #2836 |
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Me either, it's not like I know much about mahjong anyway, but I do enjoy the yuri and over the top lesbian hex. Even so, half of the enjoyment of watching/reading Saki is the discussion about technical stuffs and maybe characters' mentality and dynamics not pure nonsensical praising and whining which I've seen in some other Saki discussion boards.
I've been thinking, since Achiga is ending next chapter, it may imply that they didn't make it to the finals, since Achiga-hen is supposed to end right here. Still, Saki conversation with Koromo seemed to indecate otherwise which looks like a set up for her to face off with Shizu. At any rate, while I do prefer Senriyama or Shindouji over Achiga, it might be interesting to see how Harue with her rediculously sharp eyes can be used exploit Kiyosumi. I believe we can all agree that Harue's eagle eyes, no matter how absurd it may sound to some of us, is one of the major contributing factor which allows Achiga to be able to stand up against powerhouse antagonist team Shiraitodai, so I would like to see how effective it can be against our protagonist team Kiyosumi. |
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Yeah basically when you declare riichi you throwing away all chances to defend on a gamble to win. Is Awai really guaranteed 4 kans, because that would effectively mean that she could create a yakuman hand every time she uses her W-Riichi. Quote:
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I've actually been going over this in my head, but I'd say Achiga would be more of a challenge for Kiyosumi then Senriyama or Shindouji. With Yuuki vs Kuro, its hard to tell if Harue's training will give Kuro the boost that she needs or not, meaning that the only trouble Yuuki would have with facing her is that she would get no dora, although I'm sure we all want to see how well Yuuki would do against Teru. Kirame wouldn't really be able to do anything here, because Yuuki probably doesn't do co-op play, while Toki would basically just her being shocked that Yuuki can surpass her predictions, don't forget calling tiles doesn't disrupt Yuuki anymore. Yuu would prove to be an actual challenge for Mako, since Yuu can defend and attack. Izumi would just be slaughtered here, while Mako would probably be able to stop Yoshiko's quick hands or expensive hands. I'd say Ako would be able to give Hisa a good fight, in the quarter finals match Kurumi and Haru both stopped Hisa's hell waits with cheap, where as Ako doesn't need help when making her fast/cheap hands. Its only when we really come to Nodoka and Saki things become iffy. Mairu and Himeko's combination would probably a real nuisance to them, but that's only if Mairu can win a good number of hands without having Nodoka get in the way, meaning either Saki would be able to walk all over Himeko or would have to do Himeko what she did to Koromo and make the tiles conform only to her will. Hiroko wouldn't really be able to analyse anything out of Nodoka because her Nodoccii mode makes her play and calculate the best hands to play with, also I don't thing Nodoka would fall for traps like Seiko did. Arata would maybe give Nodoka a good run for her money, if Nodoka has accepted occult play in by the finals meaning that she wouldn't drop pinzu tiles easily, also its possible with Nodoka's calculated odds could accidentally play into Arata's hands a few times. Now I don't see Saki being affected by Ryuuka's foresight, Teru was able to bypass Toki's, I'd be willing to bet she could stop Ryuuka from winning the hand. I'd see Shizu has just being a thorn in Saki's side, what with Shizu having the 'I won't give up until the very end' attitude, but if Shizu does have the ability to stop other abilities I could see her stopping Saki a few times and forcing her to play at complete strength. Also something else, I feel like this match has been decided since the sergeant match, mainly because Izumi let down her gaurd and allowed for Yuu to get over her, and since then we've only just recently seen Shindouji, Senriyama really come out f 3rd and 4th and Awaii seems determined to put Shindouji in 4th or bust them. Just my 2 cents on the current match, not something that really needs to matter. P.S Sorry for the long post, there was just so much I wanted to discuss. Last edited by Bladezer; 2013-02-08 at 21:36. |
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2013-02-09, 02:50 | Link #2840 |
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I don't agree that when Mairu win on that round will automatically makes himeko win on that round. Himeko will just get a good starting up hand which invalidates the 5-6 hell wait of Awai and Awai shows has 0 defense with devastating offense. I will like to see Himeko fought those who had good table control like Teru or Saki heck probably Koromo too.I would like to see her take on the resident overlord Saki. Saki can even use it to her advantage knowing what number of han is coming from himeko. She did also use Toyone's ability of pursuit Riichi to make her hand complete.
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