2010-07-12, 11:07 | Link #2821 | ||
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So yes, if Sayo is the killer, she can switch them on and off, but only if she can convince people that Shannon or Kanon has died and come back from the dead. And if she isn't the killer, there's no conflict at all. In other words, there's always a way for us observers to tell when Kanon or Shannon 'dies'. Quote:
But who cares? Sure it might happen, but how could it affect the mystery? If it does affect the mystery, it's only as a way to determine Sayo's mental state, so all red text problems are avoided and we're back to the story. So this case can never create a hole in the theory, either a logical one are a fairness one.
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2010-07-12, 11:08 | Link #2822 | |
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2010-07-12, 11:09 | Link #2823 | |
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As for how this lie thing works. Your claim is that this death thing works based on lie on someone's mental gameboard, but what you cite for this is a tea party where if everyone believes in something the lie becomes true. These are two different theories. One uses everyone's mental gameboard for the lie to work. The other uses a single person's mental gameboard to work. This second case requires the equivalent of "Rosa" that created 'Kanon' since it only works with the "two people make a universe rule" other than that I still find it hard to beleive that a lie that anyone believes can become a bonified red truth. I don't think you have any guarantee that this can be 100% certain.
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2010-07-12, 11:10 | Link #2824 | |
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You put too much weight on this nonexistent "Sayo" character you've made up (and she is, in the end, a fictional character entirely of your own creation) and just assume everything in the game has to follow her rules. Last I checked, there were 16-17 other game board pieces and God knows how many meta-world characters, and I don't see any evidence they obey the same rules or perceive anything in the same manner.
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2010-07-12, 11:12 | Link #2825 | |
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Not 100% definite, but it should count as foreshadowing. How else is Beato able to use red about a meta-character?
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2010-07-12, 11:15 | Link #2827 | |
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There's really no fundamental contradiction in that scene.
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2010-07-12, 11:16 | Link #2828 |
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The Knox rules refer to the mystery. This is a clue about how the red text can be used. Do you really think that the red text can not be used to provide hints about how the red text can be used?
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2010-07-12, 11:23 | Link #2830 | |
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So is she always included in the "everyone" or just sometimes? What determines if she is? Quote:
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2010-07-12, 11:35 | Link #2833 | |
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2010-07-12, 11:47 | Link #2838 |
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Are you just being a smartass with me? Your saying that if "Sayo", "Kanon creator", or whatever beleives in the lie that Kanon is dead that means you can state with red that he is. Or vice versa with Shannon.
Beato is not psychic and you have no basis to claim this person is the GM. She can't do that. And I'll remind you that this narrative refers to "miracles" not "personality tricks".
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2010-07-12, 11:47 | Link #2839 | |
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---- I think I'm gonna get laid by everyone for making a false gold/red truth but it does not differ much from the Gold Text from EP6 so... With magic, Ange revived Sakutarou. And Beatice wasn't able to use this genuine magic. I would work ? Right ? Don'thurtmedon'thurtme. |
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2010-07-12, 11:51 | Link #2840 | |
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Kanon is a title used by Sayo, but it is also her furniture, just like Sakutaro was both a doll and Maria's furniture. Beato said in red that it was impossible to revive the furniture Sakutaro. She used the word revive, and she was referring to the furniture Sakutaro in context. So, this is describing what 'the death of furniture' means. I have not proven this; it is a theory.
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