2012-01-25, 13:48 | Link #2941 |
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You're still missing the point. Innovator or not, Setsuna was a better pilot in an inferior machine up against superior machines. His "Flag custom" only had the upgrade of some missiles and a sword/rifle. It did not have upgraded maneuverability, upgraded armor, upgraded anything for the core structure of the Flag. And he still came out on top using brilliant tactics.
Kira, in the same position, was a better pilot in an inferior machine up against (supposedly) superior machines. The only upgrade he had was an altered Striker Pack whose upgrade only works in the atmosphere anyway. He was pretty much stuck in the same position as Setsuna, and despite a stunning series of successes in an inferior machine (as the Strike is somewhat inferior planetside, due to being designed for space combat) and brilliant tactics against pilots who had far more experience in battle (like Waltfeld, in a machine that can one-shot the Strike and was designed for its environment, not to mention the victories against the Le Crueset/Zala team). And he still failed and needed an upgraded suit just to achieve victory. Shield or not, there is absolutely nothing in previous experiences on the two shows with Kira to say that he could not have defeated the enemy strike force with the Strike Rouge. The only reason that he failed is because the writer wanted to show off the Strike Freedom curbstomping all opposition. This action, however, makes it pretty inconsistent for Kira compared to everything before.
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2012-01-25, 15:15 | Link #2942 | |
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On the other hand Gundam 00 makes it clear that Innovators are a new species, they live a lot longer than humans, and are superior in every way. Last edited by Charred Knight; 2012-01-25 at 16:09. |
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2012-01-25, 16:48 | Link #2943 | |
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2012-01-25, 17:08 | Link #2944 | |
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And it still does not change the fact that Kira is one of the best MS pilots in the entire bloody SEED franchise, if not the best, so that still doesn't excuse Kira's sudden subpar performance before getting the Strike Freedom.
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I don't know how the viewers can sympathize with Lacus.
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2012-01-25, 19:16 | Link #2947 | |
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Twilight is an awful, awful book in which absolutely everything is wrong and you need to read the thing back and forth to come up with at least one thing that was well-done or that's positive or sends any messages that aren't disturbing and/or misogynistic or plain retarded. At least Seed, despite it's sometimes huge flaws has some good characters/ mech/ story that still keep people invested enough to want to watch a remaster years later. Twilight has none of that going for itself, the plot doesn't exist, not one character is likable and everyone is pathetic to the core. As much as Seed isn't perfect, and as much as I hate defending Morosawa, but she's done a much better job than Meyer ever did or could- we have to at least give her that. Funny about your sig btw, thanks for clarifying I so hoped it was an actual interview, because that would just be hilarious (it still is, but you know what I mean). |
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2012-01-25, 19:32 | Link #2948 | |
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All you're doing is comparing it to cases where Kira had his phase shift armor and/or his shield to help him back in SEED. And neither of those proved effective in this particular scene. So, again, I must ask: Where is the inconsistency on Kira's part? - Is it because Kira tried to block an incoming shot aimed at another target? He's done that before in SEED. - Is it because he came barging into a battle? He's done that before in SEED. - Is it because he managed to dodge several shots aimed at him? He's done that before in SEED. - Is it because he managed to score hits on multiple targets in a very short time? He's done that before in SEED. The only thing that's different here is that his suit was damaged when blocking a shot. That's it. And that says more about the difference in technology than it does about Kira as a pilot. |
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2012-01-25, 20:02 | Link #2949 | |
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2012-01-25, 20:50 | Link #2950 | |
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I would actually credit Lacus for being a bit more than just a Yamato Nadeshiko however, for some of the better things she does. |
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2012-01-25, 21:38 | Link #2951 | |
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Here are some of the things that Lacus has accomplished (as of GSD):
*"I didn't really do much. I just kept the seat warm." -- Lacus, GSD, Phase 42, dubbed version "Yes. I was merely sitting in it." -- Lacus, GSD, Phase 42, subbed version
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2012-01-26, 03:42 | Link #2952 |
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Oh come on, it's not that difficult to see that they needed to make the Strike Freedom look as Godly as possible, an easy way to do that is to show it beating the shit out of guys who were owning just a while ago...it's not difficult to get that.
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2012-01-26, 14:13 | Link #2956 | |
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I mostly meant these things. Sure, in some cases it's a bit unrealistic that she got there, and probably it's Morosawa's way of making her more awesome... but she should get credit for these things and probably her ability to reason with people etc.
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2012-01-26, 15:16 | Link #2957 | |
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Most of those are related to each other (and TSA leader, and resistance leader are talking about the same thing), all that amounts to is that Lacus is a leader who has good singing abilities. I don't see much problem in that, to me she's just a fairly bland person who does get a really good scene in now and then. |
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2012-01-26, 15:20 | Link #2958 |
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If the SEED mode is true, then that's genetic and something she couldn't develop on her own, so that doesn't really count.
As for her being a resistance leader, that's probably referring to when she was hiding from Zala's cronies while making her anti-war propaganda speeches before she and the others stole the Eternal.
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If Fukuda's interviews are to be believed, this is what he said concerning Lacus's lack of a backstory: Quote:
I think what both Seed and GSD needs is an Episode Zero-like manga to give or expand the backstories for the major characters.
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