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schedmaster · 2017-03-05, 23:37

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There are many more characters that borrow appearance from the past series in Seren

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Many Thanks for calming my nerves.

Dextro · 2017-03-06, 04:07

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Keiko is still my favorite side character. She is good enough to have her own arc. It's amazing how lower quality the animation Seiren is compare to Amagami SS.

I was just rewatching the Haruka arc yesterday and I must say that Amagami also had a bit of bad looking drawings to it (even in the first episode) but Seiren isn't particularly gifted in that department either. I'd say the difference is most in writing and directing than audio-visual quality (imho)

Incest Emblem · 2017-03-07, 00:30

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I really thought those were the actual two girls from the Tea Club in Amagami SS along with their love child. I guess it wasn't and that child is completely unrelated to those two girls.

The girl is Ruise Sanjo's younger sister: Rin Sanjo. Presumably this is related to why Ruise confronts Shouichi next episode.

grecefar · 2017-03-08, 14:12

Come on childhood friend!, high hopes for you!

DragoonKain3 · 2017-03-11, 01:49

I'm actually surprised at how much screentime Hikari is getting here, when she actually didn't get much in the first couple episodes of her own arc.

It's also interesting that us, the viewers, knows Hikari is lying out of her ass only because of what transpired during her arc. She has done it multiple times over the past two episodes, so it only makes sense that she also was lying about 'some guy asking her out', using Shou-chan's story of asking a girl out for christmas-eve exclusive pancakes. Hikari is the type to embellish her lies with details, but unfortunately for Kyouko, Hikari does not know it was Kyouko that Shou-chan was asking out. And so the misunderstanding comes.

Or maybe Shou-chan did indeed earnestly asked her out, and I personally would prefer it this way because for once we get some heroine vs heroine conflict drama. But alas, it's Seiren going the way of Amagami, so that would never happen. XD

In any case, this being so heroine-centric is a good two-thumbs up from me. I guess it's because Shou-chan's character has already been established in the first two arcs, but they spent more than half the episode with him out of they way. Sadly though Hikari's arc suffered the most because of it, since they had to devote so much time for Shouichi, and she only had 4 episodes.

Good on Shou-chan though, since we get to fast-forward to him pretty much asking Kyouko out on a date within one and a half episodes. Was expecting this to be like Rihoko where it's just the two enjoying each other's company with nothing really happening, so it's really surprising that it's the childhood friend who gets the confession the quickest. Not only that, but he essentially gets rejected, so colour me surprised at how the story is progressing.

Looking forward to how Shou-chan clears up the misunderstandings.

BWTraveller · 2017-03-11, 09:25

Kyouko's story is certainly interesting in its own unique way. There's such an imbalance in her between the extreme familiarity brought on by their lifelong friendship and the clear awareness of his manly side and all the great things about him that would make him a good boyfriend or more.

And yeah, I'd thought for a long time and I'm all the more certain now that Hikari is one of those "fake sluts" you see from time to time. I don't like to use that second word, but it seems an effective word to describe this type and the way they insist on having had all kinds of experience. My guess is she's never even been on a date with a boy, much less kissed or had sex, and she's too dumb to realize that her posing and pretending to have so much knowledge and experience and plans is keeping her from ever getting such experience, because the unapproachable class idol MUST have plans or a boyfriend if she's that casual about romance.

I hope that Kyouko realizes the truth about the hotel thing eventually though. I wouldn't want her to steel herself and try to go to a fancy hotel with him when they go out only for both to be incredibly awkward. Or for her to get to the hotel before she finds out that it really did just pop up due to a bad search choice.

Either way, this kind of shows both the benefits and the difficulties with childhood friend romance. She's sometimes too comfortable when she should be nervous or excited, and too nervous or excited when she should be comfortable. But at least she knows him well enough to know that he wouldn't ask Hikari out after being "rejected" by her, much less follow up by asking out every girl nearby.

But seriously, the girls in this series seem a lot more uninhibited than those in Amagami. Seriously, I don't care how close you are, no teenage girl would strip to her underwear in front of a boy, much less a boy she's half-crushing on. Doesn't happen.

IceHism · 2017-03-11, 12:31

This arc is just making me miss tsuneki as a heroine and why did she have to have such a shitty arc T.T.

Justice for tsuneki

Anh_Minh · 2017-03-11, 13:35

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Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Kyouko's story is certainly interesting in its own unique way. There's such an imbalance in her between the extreme familiarity brought on by their lifelong friendship and the clear awareness of his manly side and all the great things about him that would make him a good boyfriend or more.

And yeah, I'd thought for a long time and I'm all the more certain now that Hikari is one of those "fake sluts" you see from time to time. I don't like to use that second word, but it seems an effective word to describe this type and the way they insist on having had all kinds of experience. My guess is she's never even been on a date with a boy, much less kissed or had sex, and she's too dumb to realize that her posing and pretending to have so much knowledge and experience and plans is keeping her from ever getting such experience, because the unapproachable class idol MUST have plans or a boyfriend if she's that casual about romance.

Considering what she decided at the end of her arc, I'd call that more feature than bug.

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But seriously, the girls in this series seem a lot more uninhibited than those in Amagami. Seriously, I don't care how close you are, no teenage girl would strip to her underwear in front of a boy, much less a boy she's half-crushing on. Doesn't happen.

That depends. Some girls see underwear as no worse than swimwear. I've seen some. Heck, there are some straight up nudists in the world.

Kanon · 2017-03-11, 18:01

Tsuneki has been so much better in the other heroines' arc it's ridiculous. Why did her own arc have to be so bad?

Wandering Soul · 2017-03-12, 01:29

With all the focus they give Tsuneki in the other girl arc's, you really think they would have given Tsuneki herself a better one.

bastek66 · 2017-03-12, 07:07

Man, Seiren's staff are complete retards. Tsuneki is clearly best girl but they fucked up her route with out of ass ending. Anon who wrote this was spot on:

Spoiler for Seiren Interpretation by Anon:

Nachtwandler · 2017-03-12, 07:46

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Originally Posted by bastek66

Man, Seiren's staff are complete retards. Tsuneki is clearly best girl but they fucked up her route with out of ass ending. Anon who wrote this was spot on:

Spoiler for Seiren Interpretation by Anon:

But MC got the final he deserved in Tsuneki arc. He got dumped in main plot and he only got some chance after actually changing himself.

scififan · 2017-03-16, 01:19

Just watched episode 10.
There is a lesson to be learned. When you invite your friend to go out to eat, don't show her a cozy hotel room. It will make her defensive toward you. If you ask her what she thinks about you, she would say that she thinks you as a gentle older sister (yasashi onesan).

DragoonKain3 · 2017-03-17, 21:29

Shou-chan and Kyouko are so adorable together! Shou-chan being timid because he was turned down, and Kyouko trying her best to 'motivate' him to ask her out again. I actually like the development for both characters, as we see not only Kyouko 'growing up' via the home ec club, but also Shou-chan 'become a man' through his trials in asking Kyouko out.

Of course it's kinda sexist because if Kyouko has changed her mind, she herself should be asking Shou-chan out. But eh, it's an anime with the setting Japan, so I'll forgive it.

The only thing that's weirding me out would be, isn't Araki supposed to be Tsuneki's crush? And also her redhead friend too? Kinda weird both are so cold to his advances, but eh, I guess it's Kyouko's story so its okay to deviate.

And I must have been blind, but the girl behind the curtains in the OP, I thought it was just the current girl of the arc. But really looking at it, the girl's relatively short side bangs clearly is cut in shape of her jawline (its an uneven cut that is long on the front and gets shorter as it gets to her ears), and only one girl in the entire show has that hairstyle. So quite possibly Tomoe is the secret heroine?

Incest Emblem · 2017-03-17, 21:58

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Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

The only thing that's weirding me out would be, isn't Araki supposed to be Tsuneki's crush? And also her redhead friend too? Kinda weird both are so cold to his advances

Remember, unlike Amagami SS, the Seiren arcs take place at different points in the school year. Tooru's is first, just after Spring break. Hikari's is second, starting just before and ending just after summer break. Kyouko's is third, spanning the start of the fall semester to Christmas.

Hikari's red haired friend already "dated" Araki, and they played house with the rabbits--as their dialog states specifically. It is not surprising that Araki's furry tendencies have turned them off.

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And I must have been blind, but the girl behind the curtains in the OP, I thought it was just the current girl of the arc. But really looking at it, the girl's relatively short side bangs clearly is cut in shape of her jawline (its an uneven cut that is long on the front and gets shorter as it gets to her ears), and only one girl in the entire show has that hairstyle. So quite possibly Tomoe is the secret heroine?

It is the heroine of the arc.

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Notice how the girl changes from arc to arc. None is Tomoe, because all 3 girls have 2 long strands of hair in the front that goes below the jawline, while Tomoe's goes to the jawline only.

BWTraveller · 2017-03-18, 11:16

I'm not really sure what Kyouko's thinking. I mean, the way she got concerned over his having asked her out and the possibility of him asking others out leads me to suspect that she realizes his interest, but other things suggest that she doesn't. Frankly, right now I get the feeling that she doesn't really believe he sees her as a woman; she recognizes that his asking her out COULD be a romantic overture, but isn't confident enough to bet on this. Add this fear that he isn't interested with a fear that pursuing a relationship would hurt their friendship, especially if he really isn't all that interested, and she's just too scared to do anything about the situation and instead tries to reassure herself that he'll still be there by asking him to continue being her dear childhood friend. And then, naturally taking this as a reinforcement of the rejection, he responds in kind expressing a dear friendship. Both are playing at being friends in fear of losing that friendship by pursuing a love that's unrequited, so they pretend that love doesn't exist and in the process reinforce those misgivings about one another's feelings. This is one of the big hurdles in childhood friend romance, and it can be a really scary one. This's part of the reason we sometimes see things like the backstory in the manga Pastel, where the hero's first girlfriend and he had been stuck in the same situation until their other friends forged love letters to give them courage.

On a different note, I really hope there's more to Ikuo's story. Or that there's a side story or extra in which things work out for him. This arc is already showing that being rejected isn't the end. Would be sweet to hear him later say that she'd had some other reasons that she had to reject him and they're now progressing well.

HandofFate · 2017-03-23, 10:00

a bit confused about what happened in arc1 with Tsuneki now that the events that happened got brushed -shou in the last two arcs.

So shorthair friend ratted out about Tsuneki's job because she thought she was going to get in the way of shorthair trying to get close to the bunny fetish guy? Did Tsuneki have an interest in bunny-guy at all?

serenade_beta · 2017-03-23, 23:24

Spoiler for final thoughts:

DragoonKain3 · 2017-03-24, 22:39

I would've been happy with just the Pancake Christmas Eve (goodness knows Rihoko has me expecting really slow arcs), but I'll take them having a family 10 years later. So yeah, this arc has everything I wanted it to be and more. Helps that Kimura is the perfect casting for Kyouko, as she really nailed the cute yet insecure, younger next-door girl right out of the ballpark. I got my arc, I don't care if this series bombed so hard they won't do a second season.

(Actually, that's partly a lie. I just want to see a second season if Moe-nee has her own arc...

)

Tsuneki can't catch a break though. Worst arc, has to show up the most in other heroine's arc, and still loses the damn Santa contest. Shame, as she had great potential to be best heroine, but they bombed it real hard and made her more like a joke character. Oh well, can't win everything.

schedmaster · 2017-03-25, 00:09

If I think about it, the best arc is the one with the best job in the end.

2017-03-11, 01:49	Link #285
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	I'm actually surprised at how much screentime Hikari is getting here, when she actually didn't get much in the first couple episodes of her own arc. It's also interesting that us, the viewers, knows Hikari is lying out of her ass only because of what transpired during her arc. She has done it multiple times over the past two episodes, so it only makes sense that she also was lying about 'some guy asking her out', using Shou-chan's story of asking a girl out for christmas-eve exclusive pancakes. Hikari is the type to embellish her lies with details, but unfortunately for Kyouko, Hikari does not know it was Kyouko that Shou-chan was asking out. And so the misunderstanding comes. Or maybe Shou-chan did indeed earnestly asked her out, and I personally would prefer it this way because for once we get some heroine vs heroine conflict drama. But alas, it's Seiren going the way of Amagami, so that would never happen. XD In any case, this being so heroine-centric is a good two-thumbs up from me. I guess it's because Shou-chan's character has already been established in the first two arcs, but they spent more than half the episode with him out of they way. Sadly though Hikari's arc suffered the most because of it, since they had to devote so much time for Shouichi, and she only had 4 episodes. Good on Shou-chan though, since we get to fast-forward to him pretty much asking Kyouko out on a date within one and a half episodes. Was expecting this to be like Rihoko where it's just the two enjoying each other's company with nothing really happening, so it's really surprising that it's the childhood friend who gets the confession the quickest. Not only that, but he essentially gets rejected, so colour me surprised at how the story is progressing. Looking forward to how Shou-chan clears up the misunderstandings. __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2017-03-11, 18:01	Link #289
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Tsuneki has been so much better in the other heroines' arc it's ridiculous. Why did her own arc have to be so bad? __________________

2017-03-12, 01:29	Link #290
Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	With all the focus they give Tsuneki in the other girl arc's, you really think they would have given Tsuneki herself a better one. __________________

2017-03-12, 07:07	Link #291
bastek66 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	Man, Seiren's staff are complete retards. Tsuneki is clearly best girl but they fucked up her route with out of ass ending. Anon who wrote this was spot on: Spoiler for Seiren Interpretation by Anon: Hikari Tsuneki - The Everything Girl Episode 9 & 10 has solidified my theory of the purpose of Seiren, and there intentions with Tsuneki. The creators of Seiren are trying to create the perfect girl/waifu. "All publicity, even bad publicity, is good publicity," And this is what Seiren is doing with Tsuneki. They aren't idiots, they know how fanboys work. Whether or not you love or hate Tsuneki she is still in your mind, subconsciously. And your can't help but wonder why you're drawn to her. Tsuneki is the driving force of this anime. Shoichi might be the protagonist, but Tsuneki is the main character. A very beautiful girl, very popular and modern princess type of girl. However that's not all they've done. They made her character design playful flirtatious (just to tease like any 3d girl), they made her kind, hardworking, and intelligent, At first I thought they too pieces of each girl to make Tsunkei, however its the other way around. The creators took pieces of Tsunkei to create the other girls, which is why they have a lackluster impact. Whether its gaming, or reading manga, or playing sports, Tsuneki can do it all. Sidenote: A very interesting thing that might be overlooked is Tsuneki's relationship with Shoichi. Regardless of the time-line they show that Tsuneki and Shoichi have a very unique relationship. They are very comfortable with each other. BECAUSE TSUNEKI IS EVERYTHING GIRL, SHE CAN'T BE WON EASILY. As in her best/good ending requires heavy effort (she's hiding something). She never reveals herself to anyone, but everyone in a way relies on her for their route. This is done intentionally, the staff is saving her for something big. They want some to hate her, and some to love her. The other girls have no relation or interference with Tsuneki route, but she holds a place in all their routes. The anime has a hard time depicting this, but i'm sure the game will show it. __________________

2017-03-17, 21:29	Link #294
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	Shou-chan and Kyouko are so adorable together! Shou-chan being timid because he was turned down, and Kyouko trying her best to 'motivate' him to ask her out again. I actually like the development for both characters, as we see not only Kyouko 'growing up' via the home ec club, but also Shou-chan 'become a man' through his trials in asking Kyouko out. Of course it's kinda sexist because if Kyouko has changed her mind, she herself should be asking Shou-chan out. But eh, it's an anime with the setting Japan, so I'll forgive it. The only thing that's weirding me out would be, isn't Araki supposed to be Tsuneki's crush? And also her redhead friend too? Kinda weird both are so cold to his advances, but eh, I guess it's Kyouko's story so its okay to deviate. And I must have been blind, but the girl behind the curtains in the OP, I thought it was just the current girl of the arc. But really looking at it, the girl's relatively short side bangs clearly is cut in shape of her jawline (its an uneven cut that is long on the front and gets shorter as it gets to her ears), and only one girl in the entire show has that hairstyle. So quite possibly Tomoe is the secret heroine? __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2017-03-08, 14:12	Link #284
grecefar Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Blue Notes Blues	Come on childhood friend!, high hopes for you!

2017-03-11, 09:25	Link #286
BWTraveller Born to ship Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Texas	Kyouko's story is certainly interesting in its own unique way. There's such an imbalance in her between the extreme familiarity brought on by their lifelong friendship and the clear awareness of his manly side and all the great things about him that would make him a good boyfriend or more. And yeah, I'd thought for a long time and I'm all the more certain now that Hikari is one of those "fake sluts" you see from time to time. I don't like to use that second word, but it seems an effective word to describe this type and the way they insist on having had all kinds of experience. My guess is she's never even been on a date with a boy, much less kissed or had sex, and she's too dumb to realize that her posing and pretending to have so much knowledge and experience and plans is keeping her from ever getting such experience, because the unapproachable class idol MUST have plans or a boyfriend if she's that casual about romance. I hope that Kyouko realizes the truth about the hotel thing eventually though. I wouldn't want her to steel herself and try to go to a fancy hotel with him when they go out only for both to be incredibly awkward. Or for her to get to the hotel before she finds out that it really did just pop up due to a bad search choice. Either way, this kind of shows both the benefits and the difficulties with childhood friend romance. She's sometimes too comfortable when she should be nervous or excited, and too nervous or excited when she should be comfortable. But at least she knows him well enough to know that he wouldn't ask Hikari out after being "rejected" by her, much less follow up by asking out every girl nearby. But seriously, the girls in this series seem a lot more uninhibited than those in Amagami. Seriously, I don't care how close you are, no teenage girl would strip to her underwear in front of a boy, much less a boy she's half-crushing on. Doesn't happen.

2017-03-11, 12:31	Link #287
IceHism Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014	This arc is just making me miss tsuneki as a heroine and why did she have to have such a shitty arc T.T. Justice for tsuneki

2017-03-16, 01:19	Link #293
scififan Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Just watched episode 10. There is a lesson to be learned. When you invite your friend to go out to eat, don't show her a cozy hotel room. It will make her defensive toward you. If you ask her what she thinks about you, she would say that she thinks you as a gentle older sister (yasashi onesan).

2017-03-18, 11:16	Link #296
BWTraveller Born to ship Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Texas	I'm not really sure what Kyouko's thinking. I mean, the way she got concerned over his having asked her out and the possibility of him asking others out leads me to suspect that she realizes his interest, but other things suggest that she doesn't. Frankly, right now I get the feeling that she doesn't really believe he sees her as a woman; she recognizes that his asking her out COULD be a romantic overture, but isn't confident enough to bet on this. Add this fear that he isn't interested with a fear that pursuing a relationship would hurt their friendship, especially if he really isn't all that interested, and she's just too scared to do anything about the situation and instead tries to reassure herself that he'll still be there by asking him to continue being her dear childhood friend. And then, naturally taking this as a reinforcement of the rejection, he responds in kind expressing a dear friendship. Both are playing at being friends in fear of losing that friendship by pursuing a love that's unrequited, so they pretend that love doesn't exist and in the process reinforce those misgivings about one another's feelings. This is one of the big hurdles in childhood friend romance, and it can be a really scary one. This's part of the reason we sometimes see things like the backstory in the manga Pastel, where the hero's first girlfriend and he had been stuck in the same situation until their other friends forged love letters to give them courage. On a different note, I really hope there's more to Ikuo's story. Or that there's a side story or extra in which things work out for him. This arc is already showing that being rejected isn't the end. Would be sweet to hear him later say that she'd had some other reasons that she had to reject him and they're now progressing well.

2017-03-23, 10:00	Link #297
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	a bit confused about what happened in arc1 with Tsuneki now that the events that happened got brushed -shou in the last two arcs. So shorthair friend ratted out about Tsuneki's job because she thought she was going to get in the way of shorthair trying to get close to the bunny fetish guy? Did Tsuneki have an interest in bunny-guy at all? __________________ ...

2017-03-23, 23:24	Link #298
serenade_beta そのおっぱいで13才 Join Date: Dec 2006	Spoiler for final thoughts: Not sure if there will be a 2nd season with the other three girls. Don't think anything was announced. I'm curious about the zombie-eyed Iinchou though. But anyways, it was fairly fine. I did feel that it tried to follow Amagami a bit too much and insert weird fetishes into the protagonist, but whatever. I didn't really find that particularly funny, but if they want to pay homage, fine. The first arc was... bad. Simply because they never even got together. Second arc was an improvement, but the third arc was the best. It helped that stuff like Gundam and whatever wasn't that inserted into the story. And the ending wasn't half comedic like the protagonist being a driver @connecting to the game he played. Just romantic. <- Good In all cases, I kinda felt the time leap was a bit too big, but I guess it's okay this way too. Anyways, 8/10. Fun enough. __________________ -Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games) -R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)

2017-03-24, 22:39	Link #299
DragoonKain3 Osana-Najimi Shipper Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Ordeals	I would've been happy with just the Pancake Christmas Eve (goodness knows Rihoko has me expecting really slow arcs), but I'll take them having a family 10 years later. So yeah, this arc has everything I wanted it to be and more. Helps that Kimura is the perfect casting for Kyouko, as she really nailed the cute yet insecure, younger next-door girl right out of the ballpark. I got my arc, I don't care if this series bombed so hard they won't do a second season. (Actually, that's partly a lie. I just want to see a second season if Moe-nee has her own arc... ) Tsuneki can't catch a break though. Worst arc, has to show up the most in other heroine's arc, and still loses the damn Santa contest. Shame, as she had great potential to be best heroine, but they bombed it real hard and made her more like a joke character. Oh well, can't win everything. __________________ Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)

2017-03-25, 00:09	Link #300
schedmaster Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 32	If I think about it, the best arc is the one with the best job in the end.