Brexit Vote

[MeoTwister5]

And you can't always have your proverbial cake and eat it too.

We can't always make excuses for people who can't think for themselves. You can't always have a Game Over screen and pop in a few tokens for extra lives. Things have consequences and people aren't going to learn to actually take control and be responsible if there's always a do over. Is that the kind of generation of citizens a country wants, one where they can just surrender their rights and responsibilities because they always have a 2nd chance?

People made their choice. If they fucked up their own country then they fucked up their own country. Hell they're actually sort of fucking up things in the rest of the world indirectly too. World markets are going to roll their eyes and gnash their teeth at the UK if they choose to have a 2nd vote after what the aftershocks did to the rest of the world. It's downright arrogant.

I personally don't agree with the outcome, but people need to stop being such babies and own up to their "mistake", if they think they made one. A 2nd vote isn't going to wash your hands off your "fault."

[Brother Coa]

I am just surprised to see how many people don't know how democracy works.

Worst of all - in a country where they teach you from childhood how much is your vote important.

On the other hand...

"President Of The European Parliament: 'It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate'"

Democracy in it's finest..

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

I am just surprised to see how many people don't know how democracy works.

Worst of all - in a country where they teach you from childhood how much is your vote important.

At least one British political comedy skit I saw a few years ago, say that the British people have a choice of two political parties who both have the same policies. Not being British, I can't confirm or deny if this is actually true. But it seems enough Brits believe that sufficiently as to think votes are not as important as it seems. And then suddenly having a vote to MATTER come as a shock, as for many it probably had never happened before.

[DerGilga]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

On the other hand...

"President Of The European Parliament: 'It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate'"

Democracy in it's finest..

Following your source, which is an English translation of an Italian translation of an English translation of this German picture:

A better translation would be:
EU Schulz: "The British violate EU framework, as it isn't in EU philosophy that mob can decide over rise & fall of EU"

But the best part? I still haven't found a primary source aka an actuall interview or date when it was said. The source seems to be that picture on a twitter acount of some rightwing German nutjob aka totally trustworthy.

The source, still no primary citation.... but it was publish on 21. Juni 2016...

But hey, at least somebody didn't just believed the next best thing he or she found on the internet, afterall the internet is such a save place for 100% accurate information!

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

it is call taking responsibility for your vote. for their own reason these people either didn't vote or voted to leave. Now they have to live with consequences of their vote. Same for those who voted for Nader because there is no idfference between Gore and Bush. Same for those who are going to vote for Trump because HIllary isn't progressive enough. In Democracy you get the government/result you vote for. Good, bad or horrifying, the voters own every bit of it.

Well, if we're talking about "Murica, it's not as simple as the majority rules. There's many forms of democracy, and we don't believe the majority is always right, and we have ways to stop retarded things even if a majority thinks it's okay. . It's called a representative democracy. The tyranny of the majority has been a large factor in the oppression of minority groups, after all.

Maybe that's where the disconnect with US posters comes from. Our country was founded on a concept that people are fucking retarded and impulsive, and they have been endlessly proven right.

[Brother Coa]

Originally Posted by DerGilga

EU Schulz: "The British violate EU framework, as it isn't in EU philosophy that mob can decide over rise & fall of EU"

But hey, at least somebody didn't just believed the next best thing he or she found on the internet, afterall the internet is such a save place for 100% accurate information!

I agree, but the post still stands as true even if original source is somewhat different.

He just called legitimate voters a "mob", maybe he is like one of those young Remain voters that think "old folks have no right to vote, who are they to decide our fate?" xD

And from such high position, people like him should be careful what they are saying.

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Well, if we're talking about "Murica, it's not as simple as the majority rules.
Maybe that's where the disconnect with US posters comes from. Our country was founded on a concept that people are fucking retarded and impulsive, and they have been endlessly proven right.

It's largely thanks to the fact that USA is not really a democracy - but constitutional republic.
Democracy exists but the law is above it, same goes for the Government.
If you put enough regulations and laws you will get limited democracy but one that works.

There is a very good video that explain this in detail.

[DerGilga]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

I agree, but the post still stands as true even if original source is somewhat different.

He just called legitimate voters a "mob", maybe he is like one of those young Remain voters that think "old folks have no right to vote, who are they to decide our fate?" xD

And from such high position, people like him should be careful what they are saying.

The artikel ends with

"Achtung Satire!"

which is German for

"caution satire"

[Ithekro]

Representative democracy of the Republic known as the United States of America was placed their specifically so the majority would not rule without checks on them. The Founding Fathers did not want mob rule. Senators use to not be voted for by the people at all, but selected by the political elites of their states. The electoral college is a holdover from this system of government. Long ago, only property owners could vote.


Majority rules. Minority rights. We have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[Brother Coa]

Originally Posted by DerGilga

The artikel ends with

"Achtung Satire!"

which is German for

"caution satire"

I see, then did he really said that or no?

Because even 'satire' can lead to "unforeseen consequences."

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

I agree, but the post still stands as true even if original source is somewhat different.

He just called legitimate voters a "mob", maybe he is like one of those young Remain voters that think "old folks have no right to vote, who are they to decide our fate?" xD

And from such high position, people like him should be careful what they are saying.



It's largely thanks to the fact that USA is not really a democracy - but constitutional republic.
Democracy exists but the law is above it, same goes for the Government.
If you put enough regulations and laws you will get limited democracy but one that works.

There is a very good video that explain this in detail.

Correct. Like I said we are not a pure democracy, and there are reasons why.

That was a decent video but that antisocialist leap of logic suggesting Obama being the oligarrch sort of ruined it though. It is that kind of tea party kind of thing which makes us so called Constitutionalists look bad and I am no Obama fan or the party of the less Right. But reactionary populism isn't my thing either.

Man this software sucks at quoting quotes

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

I see, then did he really said that or no?

Because even 'satire' can lead to "unforeseen consequences."

Of course he did not. Do you know what satire is?

[Newhope]

Looks like the UK just dodged a bullet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...erstate-Brexit

[Brother Coa]

Every satire has a bit of truth behind it.

And after the rumors that Polish diplomats started I would not be surprised if this is what he really thinks.

That was a decent video but that antisocialist leap of logic suggesting Obama being the oligarrch sort of ruined it though. It is that kind of tea party kind of thing which makes us so called Constitutionalists look bad and I am no Obama fan or the party of the less Right. But reactionary populism isn't my thing either.

It's still decent video that explains how political systems in world works. And I kind of agree with it that Obama is oligarrch, as well as other US presidents.

You have one guy who is in charge ( president ) and you have bunch of other people who rule the state in his name ( ministers and senators ), the only difference from real oligarchy is that it is democratic and not authoritarian.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Newhope

Looks like the UK just dodged a bullet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...erstate-Brexit

1) Cause-and-effect. With Britain in the EU they'd never propose something like this.

2) Such changes have to be ratified by every single member state. How's that likelihood? I'd remind you that the EU constitution in 2005 was rejected by the no of the electorates of France and the Netherlands.

[DerGilga]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

I see, then did he really said that or no?

Because even 'satire' can lead to "unforeseen consequences."

What about lies?


P.S.: Despite all my Schadenfreude, I really start to feel sorry for the British people.

[Brother Coa]

Ratified....sure..... xD

They can also give ultimatum, I have seen this happening in the past. In this case Germany and France are both for it, and it seems Italy is for it as well.

If Germany wants EU superstate they will get it and others will have no choice but to comply or to get kicked out.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

Ratified....sure..... xD

They can also give ultimatum, I have seen this happening in the past. In this case Germany and France are both for it, and it seems Italy is for it as well.

If Germany wants EU superstate they will get it and others will have no choice but to comply or to get kicked out.

France's electorate vetoed the EU constitution in a far European-friendly climate over a decade ago. What makes you think they'd change their mind on changes that exceed the EU constitution in scope? And regarding Germany, the supposed paper is coming from the foreign ministry which is under control of the Social Democrats who are notoriously more keen on more "unity" than the Christian Democrats.

That's just fear-mongering. I'm mildly amused by all this criticism, partly legit, partly not, of Remainers' fear-mongering but Leavers like you are doing exactly the same.

[Kyral]

Originally Posted by Brother Coa

Every satire has a bit of truth behind it.

Well, half of the comments under the articles are either people reacting negative to what those "fatherland traitors think about us 'mobs'!" and the other half react negative that the satire warning didn't came before the article. blaming the author he would deliberately spread bad mood with that.

The author himself didn't react to anything so we won't know.

Originally Posted by Newhope

Looks like the UK just dodged a bullet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...erstate-Brexit

[Sheba]

omfg, stop waving the EU superstate strawman. I respect leavers' choice but damn that fucking conspiracy theory needs to die. Yes, you joined a club and you find out it have rules and restrictions? Like every clubs.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Newhope

Looks like the UK just dodged a bullet.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...erstate-Brexit

Well, I can see how Poland might be a little disturbed by that idea. "European superstates" haven't exactly worked out too well for them in the past...