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The 48th Ronin · 2015-02-24, 07:27

If Galfa's a Moor, then probably Arab. With a mix of Berber, I think.

kyuudere · 2015-02-24, 08:09

Actually there are a speculation that Galfa's character is based on Götz von Berlichingen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tz_von_Berlichingen

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From what I read in wikipedia, Galfa's situation is pretty similar with Götz von Berlichingen

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In 1504, Berlichingen and his company fought for Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria. During the siege of the city of Landshut, he lost his right arm when enemy cannon fire forced his sword against him. He had two mechanical prosthetic iron replacements made, which are today on display at the Jagsthausen Castle.

I wonder if his arms will be replaced with this thing

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artificial hand

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Mister Twit · 2015-02-24, 08:28

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Originally Posted by frubam

Why do people keep thinking this(at least, I've heard this a number of times in this thread)? Is the bag a different color or something? I mean, I can't rule out the possibility, but considering what Ezekiel just went through, I'd doubt something like that would happen. Unnecessary drama, esp by some simplistic error, is not expected from this series.

Unnecessary? At this point that seems like the only place this is going. I'm sure it's no coincidence that this happened when Maria was unable to fetch the medicine herself. "Considering what Ezekiel went through" doesn't absolve her from further mistakes. If you want a reason, my guess is this will probably lead to Maria taking the blame on herself to protect Ezekiel out of sympathy for what's happened to her, potentially falling out of the village's favor. That moves the plot. Seems legit to me.

When the only other theory is she died for no reason even though she was taking Maria's medicine, that just seems more unnecessary. Because that would make it look more like Maria really is to blame, having unreliable medicine, which would be messy. Not just for the situation but also the viewer, because it's uncharacteristic for this story to make Maria look incompetent in her craft.

But that's all just my guess. It will go how it goes.

MrTerrorist · 2015-02-24, 08:46

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Originally Posted by kyuudere

Actually there are a speculation that Galfa's character is based on Götz von Berlichingen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6tz_von_Berlichingen

Spoiler for 2ch:

From what I read in wikipedia, Galfa's situation is pretty similar with Götz von Berlichingen

I wonder if his arms will be replaced with this thing

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artificial hand

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The original Guts.

Benigmatica · 2015-02-25, 13:04

Damn, Galfa lost an arm after killing his boss, and Ezekiel almost pierced Maria!

As for Ann's grandmother, I'm hoping that she died naturally but Ann will assumed that it'll be all Maria's fault for giving her the wrong medicine.

Calca · 2015-02-25, 18:21

I wonder what the limitations of Ezekiel's free will is with her being able to exert some control before hitting Maria. Angels aren't supposed to have any free will which explains Michaels absolute expressionless demeanor. It leads me to believe Ezekiel probably was human though I doubt it is the biblical Ezekiel.

Cloudedmind · 2015-02-25, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Calca

I wonder what the limitations of Ezekiel's free will is with her being able to exert some control before hitting Maria. Angels aren't supposed to have any free will which explains Michaels absolute expressionless demeanor. It leads me to believe Ezekiel probably was human though I doubt it is the biblical Ezekiel.

Where does it state that angels don't have free will? If that was the case then no angel would have ever been able to rebel against god since they'd pretty much be robots doing everything told to them because they couldn't do otherwise.

Calca · 2015-02-26, 04:34

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Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

Where does it state that angels don't have free will? If that was the case then no angel would have ever been able to rebel against god since they'd pretty much be robots doing everything told to them because they couldn't do otherwise.

God's gift to humans was free will itself which exists inside the boundary of time. When the angel made that choice, it is something they cannot go back upon. Their will exists outside of time and is absolute.

Cloudedmind · 2015-02-26, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Calca

God's gift to humans was free will itself which exists inside the boundary of time. When the angel made that choice, it is something they cannot go back upon. Their will exists outside of time and is absolute.

That's completely different from free will, as free will is the ability to make ones own choices, whether those choices are good or not. Both humans and angels have the ability to make choices for them self, they both have free will. What angels don't have that current humans due biblical speaking, is that if they choose to do something contrary to gods nature there is no redemption for them. Angels can not repent and then be redeemed. Once they err against god their judgement is absolute.

Calca · 2015-02-26, 15:58

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Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

That's completely different from free will, as free will is the ability to make ones own choices, whether those choices are good or not. Both humans and angels have the ability to make choices for them self, they both have free will. What angels don't have that current humans due biblical speaking, is that if they choose to do something contrary to gods nature there is no redemption for them. Angels can not repent and then be redeemed. Once they err against god their judgement is absolute.

I think you misunderstand. The will is outside of time and cannot be changed this Michaels speak of saying his words were the words of God. Another way to look at this is if you look at the possibility of Michael or another angel rising up against God. It is impossible for him to do so or any other angel because the will is outside of time. It doesn't have anything to do with a past or future redemption in terms of he Angels.

Cloudedmind · 2015-02-26, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Calca

I think you misunderstand. The will is outside of time and cannot be changed this Michaels speak of saying his words were the words of God. Another way to look at this is if you look at the possibility of Michael or another angel rising up against God. It is impossible for him to do so or any other angel because the will is outside of time. It doesn't have anything to do with a past or future redemption in terms of he Angels.

Are you're referring to how things work in this anime/manga? If so, then I can't say anything on that. But if you're referring to how things work biblically then we'll just have to agree to disagree, because several angels have in fact rebelled against god. There's no way they could have done so if they didn't have the free will to make choices on their own.

Calca · 2015-02-26, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Cloudedmind

Are you're referring to how things work in this anime/manga? If so, then I can't say anything on that. But if you're referring to how things work biblically then we'll just have to agree to disagree, because several angels have in fact rebelled against god. There's no way they could have done so if they didn't have the free will to make choices on their own.

This is what I mean:

An angel's will is not like ours. We live in a continuum of time and space, with constant input. We can and do change our minds--that is, our wills. We can repent. Angels' will's are more powerful and unitary. Once they decide, they do not change their minds or wills--ever. A decision, once made, is irrevocable. That's why once Lucifer decided against God, it is a permanent decision. When the good angels decided for God, it is a permanent decision.

Basically I'm saying Michaels mind and will cannot change thus the thought set of Michael cannot be changed as well. Which led to my original question of why Ezekiel is able to do so. If you disagree with this particular stance that's fine but I'm also basing Michael's stoney absolute demeanor on this as well.

Kismet-chan · 2015-02-27, 06:10

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Originally Posted by Calca

This is what I mean:

An angel's will is not like ours. We live in a continuum of time and space, with constant input. We can and do change our minds--that is, our wills. We can repent. Angels' will's are more powerful and unitary. Once they decide, they do not change their minds or wills--ever. A decision, once made, is irrevocable. That's why once Lucifer decided against God, it is a permanent decision. When the good angels decided for God, it is a permanent decision.

Basically I'm saying Michaels mind and will cannot change thus the thought set of Michael cannot be changed as well. Which led to my original question of why Ezekiel is able to do so. If you disagree with this particular stance that's fine but I'm also basing Michael's stoney absolute demeanor on this as well.

Just because angels act a certain way in the Bible, that doesn't necessarily mean it applies to this show or its source material. The creator can do whatever they want in that respect. Unless something was stated in the manga that I'm unware of, we don't know the exact rules Ishikawa has set up for how his versions of God and angels work in this universe.

Cloudedmind · 2015-02-27, 10:37

Hmm, yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I believe that statement fundamentally misunderstands what the term free will actually means and how it's represented in the bible and is confusing it with the consequences of an angel misusing their free will. Whether or not the author is thinking about in the same terms as you would be interesting to know though.

Metaneo · 2015-03-01, 03:20

Angels DO have free will in the sense that they are ARE capable of making their own decisions. The difference between Angel and Human is that while humans face no immediate punishment for their actions on Earth, Angels do.

Humans are free to act how they want in the Mortal Realm without fear of punishment from God as long as they are alive, what happens after life is why people fear death so much.

Angels on the other hand, while they are capable of making their own decisions, tend to receive more direct and severe punishments for their actions, unless the act of them breaking the rules plays a part in His greater plan.

That's why Michael said when he was speaking to Ezekiel, "These words are not of my mind. They are the words of the Father among the heavens." Though we don't know, Michael may not personally take issue with Maria's actions, he might even approve of them. However, unlike a human, he can think whatever he wants, but he cannot act how he wants as He never Angels the freedom to act how they please.

The Long and short of it, Angels can act how they want, but they get punished for it, unlike Man.

This also applies to beings like Maria, as Witches technically aren't Human.

Kyral · 2015-03-01, 07:29

Also if you take Judaism into account, then even stuff like Lucifer's rebellion is part of gods plan.
There is no devil in that believe... only JHWH who rains over Good and Evil just the same.

Stark700 · 2015-03-01, 10:25

Mm...this arm.

There's some clash of ideals in the latest episode and really, I hope Maria gets her own question answered by the time the show ends.

Not to mention, people are accusing Maria of bad deeds again.

Jerseykid · 2015-03-01, 12:50

galfa tasked with taking her virginity by force, I can see the showdown coming with joseph

HandofFate · 2015-03-01, 12:50

welp.
looks like we going the attempted rape route for Maria

James Rye · 2015-03-01, 12:57

I was squeeing so much when Maria hugged Joseph from behind! <3
Oh-uh, rape route's bad. D:
Galfa might be a bastard, but he's a darn cool bastard with that armored arm/hand pose and saying "you're just anotehr stepping stone". Looked like Lolette was pretty hurt when he said "don't behave like a wife". :C
ARGH! THAT DEVIL IN MONK LOOK!!! Making Ann all sad and confused and forcing the Grandma to regret meeting and talking to Maria and swear to not see her again! And he looks so devilish in Martha's nearly blind eyes!

The goblins are pretty sad too, a race that's soon to be gone, forgotten and only remembered in fairy tales because they have grown to weak.

Cennerous looked pretty scary too with those 3 glowing eyes thingie and telling Maria "to join them"..... I am worried what he might have in plan for our innocent Maria...

And Ezekiel was so sad about Maria being an offcast! That little angel has grown so much, even the familars care about her! <3

This show truly is a gem in this season, more people should watch it.

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The 48th Ronin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Anywhere. I'm a nomad.	If Galfa's a Moor, then probably Arab. With a mix of Berber, I think. __________________ . "You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." .

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Cloudedmind Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: California Age: 38	Hmm, yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I believe that statement fundamentally misunderstands what the term free will actually means and how it's represented in the bible and is confusing it with the consequences of an angel misusing their free will. Whether or not the author is thinking about in the same terms as you would be interesting to know though. __________________

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Kyral OC Belka Scriptor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Germany Age: 40	Also if you take Judaism into account, then even stuff like Lucifer's rebellion is part of gods plan. There is no devil in that believe... only JHWH who rains over Good and Evil just the same. __________________

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Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	Mm...this arm. There's some clash of ideals in the latest episode and really, I hope Maria gets her own question answered by the time the show ends. Not to mention, people are accusing Maria of bad deeds again. __________________

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HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	welp. looks like we going the attempted rape route for Maria __________________ ...

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Benigmatica Deadpan Rambler Join Date: Nov 2012	Damn, Galfa lost an arm after killing his boss, and Ezekiel almost pierced Maria! As for Ann's grandmother, I'm hoping that she died naturally but Ann will assumed that it'll be all Maria's fault for giving her the wrong medicine.

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Calca Expressionless Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Walking on the path known as life	I wonder what the limitations of Ezekiel's free will is with her being able to exert some control before hitting Maria. Angels aren't supposed to have any free will which explains Michaels absolute expressionless demeanor. It leads me to believe Ezekiel probably was human though I doubt it is the biblical Ezekiel.

2015-03-01, 03:20	Link #295
Metaneo Anime Watcher Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Elsewhere Age: 35	Angels DO have free will in the sense that they are ARE capable of making their own decisions. The difference between Angel and Human is that while humans face no immediate punishment for their actions on Earth, Angels do. Humans are free to act how they want in the Mortal Realm without fear of punishment from God as long as they are alive, what happens after life is why people fear death so much. Angels on the other hand, while they are capable of making their own decisions, tend to receive more direct and severe punishments for their actions, unless the act of them breaking the rules plays a part in His greater plan. That's why Michael said when he was speaking to Ezekiel, "These words are not of my mind. They are the words of the Father among the heavens." Though we don't know, Michael may not personally take issue with Maria's actions, he might even approve of them. However, unlike a human, he can think whatever he wants, but he cannot act how he wants as He never Angels the freedom to act how they please. The Long and short of it, Angels can act how they want, but they get punished for it, unlike Man. This also applies to beings like Maria, as Witches technically aren't Human.

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Jerseykid Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	galfa tasked with taking her virginity by force, I can see the showdown coming with joseph

2015-03-01, 12:57	Link #300
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	I was squeeing so much when Maria hugged Joseph from behind! <3 Oh-uh, rape route's bad. D: Galfa might be a bastard, but he's a darn cool bastard with that armored arm/hand pose and saying "you're just anotehr stepping stone". Looked like Lolette was pretty hurt when he said "don't behave like a wife". :C ARGH! THAT DEVIL IN MONK LOOK!!! Making Ann all sad and confused and forcing the Grandma to regret meeting and talking to Maria and swear to not see her again! And he looks so devilish in Martha's nearly blind eyes! The goblins are pretty sad too, a race that's soon to be gone, forgotten and only remembered in fairy tales because they have grown to weak. Cennerous looked pretty scary too with those 3 glowing eyes thingie and telling Maria "to join them"..... I am worried what he might have in plan for our innocent Maria... And Ezekiel was so sad about Maria being an offcast! That little angel has grown so much, even the familars care about her! <3 This show truly is a gem in this season, more people should watch it.