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Jan-Poo · 2013-08-26, 08:34

Hato and Madarame's interactions keep getting more and more awkward.

I wonder how much Madarame is aware that the way Hato acts is not normal for a boy who simply likes to crossdress. Hato completely changes his gender identity when he does that to an almost dissociative level.

Also at this point the kind of interest Hato shows toward Madarame and the desire to be with him and know more about him are dangerously looking like a crush to me. I don't think that the "BL fantasies" alone can explain all that and I'm beginning to think that the reason Hato was so opposed to Madarame's virginity being stolen by Angela had a meaning deeper than he himself is aware of.

Daniel E. · 2013-08-26, 19:21

Hmmm... Was Rika drinking beer at the start of this episode? She certainly looked the part.

jeroz · 2013-08-26, 20:01

Isn't she like 21,22?

Myssa Rei · 2013-08-26, 20:27

Rika is 20, so she was supposed to be drinking beer, but I think it got edited to canned juice again.

Daniel E. · 2013-08-26, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Rika is 20, so she was supposed to be drinking beer, but I think it got edited to canned juice again.

Yeah, I know about her age and about how this was changed in a previous epsiode.

The can looked different this time around and I was wondering if the anime had had a change of heart and brought her drinking habit back.

Echoes · 2013-08-26, 21:47

Another fantastic episode. A whole lot of Hato and Madarame, and you'll never hear me voice even the faintest complaint against either of them getting more screen-time.

I really liked the scene in Madarame's apartment, where it started off with Madarame acting apologetic and scared that he might've been too forward with the sex-talk, and then Hato completely turned the tables on him.

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Originally Posted by Dop

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I also think that Madarame really has matured as a character. As you point out, he hasn't outgrown his interests, but he's gained a new perspective on them. But he's still essentially the same guy, and I think that kind of subtle, believable character development is really great. I actually like him even more now than I did during the original series, and that's really not something I expected to happen.

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-08-26, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Daniel E.

Yeah, I know about her age and about how this was changed in a previous epsiode.

The can looked different this time around and I was wondering if the anime had had a change of heart and brought her drinking habit back.

Well in the previous episode they couldn't have everyone drinking alcohol like they were in the manga because of rules against depicting minors getting drunk. But if they just had Yoshitake drinking beer, it would've given away the surprise about her age. This time around they didn't have to worry about that, so she could have beer while Yajima was stuck with soft drinks.

nojay · 2013-08-27, 05:14

A little joke the animators put into ep 8, what with all the BL sexytalk going in in Madarame's five-tatami apato:

Spoiler for large image:

jeroz · 2013-08-27, 05:40

I don't get it

nojay · 2013-08-27, 06:17

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Originally Posted by jeroz

I don't get it

If it's not clear those are boxes of tissues (Ob US: Kleenex) up on the shelf. They don't appear in the manga.

HandofFate · 2013-08-27, 07:05

I think that's a bit of a stretch...

aohige · 2013-08-27, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

Well in the previous episode they couldn't have everyone drinking alcohol like they were in the manga because of rules against depicting minors getting drunk. But if they just had Yoshitake drinking beer, it would've given away the surprise about her age. This time around they didn't have to worry about that, so she could have beer while Yajima was stuck with soft drinks.

And yet, they have no problem depicting minors drinking gallons of beer in one of the most popular series in Japan, One Piece.

STANDARDS!

maximilianjenus · 2013-08-27, 09:13

are the guys of one piece minors ? iirc after the time skip they are over 19.

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Luffy is 17, as is Usopp,
Sanji is 19, as is Zoro
Franky is 34
Robin is 28
Chopper is 15
Nami is 18

add 2 years because you know what.

HandofFate · 2013-08-27, 10:42

Are you sure about the rule about showing minors drinking alcohol? Didn't notice anything significant about the can thing here, but shows like Minami-ke has characters getting accidentally drunk who are minors. As well as few other shows.

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-08-27, 12:52

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Are you sure about the rule about showing minors drinking alcohol? Didn't notice anything significant about the can thing here, but shows like Minami-ke has characters getting accidentally drunk who are minors. As well as few other shows.

I've always heard that as the explanation for why, for example, the Haruhi anime didn't feature teh cast getting drunk during Remote Island Syndrome even though that's what happened in the books.

Jan-Poo · 2013-08-27, 19:41

It does seem that anime are very peculiar about not showing minors drinking alcohol. I've seen a few times minors getting drunk for comedic purposes but that usually happens because they were tricked into drinking that or without their knowledge.
This is also true for smoke.

You'd sooner see an underage anime character kill and rape than smoke and drink.

Goty · 2013-08-27, 20:25

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

are the guys of one piece minors ? iirc after the time skip they are over 19.

The point is that age of majority in Japan is 20, and Nami and Zoro were shown getting drunk many times even before the timeskip (and willingly).

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

You'd sooner see an underage anime character kill and rape than smoke and drink.

Yeah, while i've seen minors drinking in some shows eventually, especially by accident or for comic value, smoking is a bigger no-no.

jeroz · 2013-08-27, 20:32

The taboos in different countries for minors, man I wonder if there are more different ones

NoemiChan · 2013-08-27, 21:46

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You'd sooner see an underage anime character kill and rape than smoke and drink.

We already hear minor characters implying it's not normal to remain a virgin in high school.

Jan-Poo · 2013-08-27, 21:49

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Originally Posted by GenjiChan

We already hear minor characters implying it's not normal to remain a virgin in high school.

Smoke and booze for minors is illegal.
Sex isn't.*

*As long as it's above the age of consent, which in Japan isn't high at all.

2013-08-26, 08:34	Link #281
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Hato and Madarame's interactions keep getting more and more awkward. I wonder how much Madarame is aware that the way Hato acts is not normal for a boy who simply likes to crossdress. Hato completely changes his gender identity when he does that to an almost dissociative level. Also at this point the kind of interest Hato shows toward Madarame and the desire to be with him and know more about him are dangerously looking like a crush to me. I don't think that the "BL fantasies" alone can explain all that and I'm beginning to think that the reason Hato was so opposed to Madarame's virginity being stolen by Angela had a meaning deeper than he himself is aware of. __________________

2013-08-26, 19:21	Link #282
Daniel E. AniMexican! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Monterrey N.L. Mexico	Hmmm... Was Rika drinking beer at the start of this episode? She certainly looked the part. __________________

2013-08-26, 20:01	Link #283
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	Isn't she like 21,22? __________________ [TAC]

2013-08-26, 20:27	Link #284
Myssa Rei Moderate Haruhiist Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 42	Rika is 20, so she was supposed to be drinking beer, but I think it got edited to canned juice again. __________________

2013-08-27, 05:14	Link #288
nojay Scanlator Join Date: Dec 2005	A little joke the animators put into ep 8, what with all the BL sexytalk going in in Madarame's five-tatami apato: Spoiler for large image: __________________

2013-08-27, 05:40	Link #289
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	I don't get it __________________ [TAC]

2013-08-27, 07:05	Link #291
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	I think that's a bit of a stretch...

2013-08-27, 10:42	Link #294
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Are you sure about the rule about showing minors drinking alcohol? Didn't notice anything significant about the can thing here, but shows like Minami-ke has characters getting accidentally drunk who are minors. As well as few other shows.

2013-08-27, 19:41	Link #296
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	It does seem that anime are very peculiar about not showing minors drinking alcohol. I've seen a few times minors getting drunk for comedic purposes but that usually happens because they were tricked into drinking that or without their knowledge. This is also true for smoke. You'd sooner see an underage anime character kill and rape than smoke and drink. __________________

2013-08-27, 20:32	Link #298
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	The taboos in different countries for minors, man I wonder if there are more different ones __________________ [TAC]