Heavy Object - Old Anime Discussion Thread

[bakato]

Originally Posted by LazyHunter

So despite the series stating and showing you they are not better options you refuse to accept it. Why? How are they better options? They aren't, as the first episode showed you the combined army of several nations with ships and aircraft didn't even scratch the original Object. Tanks weren't present because it was a sea battle, but tanks wouldn't have made a difference.

Facts:

• Objects have superior firepower and armor to everything else in the military.
• Objects have superior speed to land and sea units.
• The only thing Objects lose is in speed vs aircraft, who were rendered obsolete with the advent of anti-air lasers. Objects have a ton of anti-air lasers, so aircraft can't beat them.

Nukes are not the better option. One can't destroy an Object. Also, as the episode told you most of the conflicts in the world are now smaller skirmishes for territory between the four superpowers, no one would use a nuke in territory they want to conquer and use. Also, nukes and missiles can be interecepted by the same anti-air lasers Objects have.

Me and other have given several arguments as to why Objects exist and why they are superior to other millitary forces. What are your arguments?

I think Tenzen12 still stubbornly believes that all that high-tech stuff would be better off invested in conventional weaponry.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Unless Object was designed in such short notice that no nation would have noticed it, it is arguably not feasible such vehicle could be built without interference from other nations unless it was in pure secrecy.

Even if other nations didn't do anything upon learning about that super weapon, the fact 14 of them immeditaly launched an attack on it without any Object prototype or so definitely demonstrate that they didn't know anything about the Object or at least stuff that would be effective against it. I find it extremely dubious that 14 nations would send so many vessels and aircrafts against it if they knew about the Object. OTOH, the fact they didn't know about it make the widespread appearance of such vehicles even more convenient.

To be fair, we don't actually know the timeline from which the first Object became operational, till they became wide spread around the world. But one thing we do know is that in this period of time the World had gone through a global scale restructuring of power as Nations rose and fell.

The country which created the Object may have collapsed in this era and that's how the technology leaked. It would also explain why the other countries didn't respond till the Object became operational because they were caught up in their own turmoil.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by bakato

I think Tenzen12 still stubbornly believes that all that high-tech stuff would be better off invested in conventional weaponry.

Well I wouldn't be against all these hi-tech stuff were invested into reasonable unconventional weaponry either. Anyway use it on Objects is incredibly waste of all that awesome technology, that would work better literally on anything else.

[Yamada II]

Episode 1
So a lot of stuff was told here. The gist of it is that the Japs made this big ass piece of indestructible machinery which is deadly and they're fighting. This kid wants to study these robots and there's this emotionless girl who drives the robot at the place where the kid is stationed. His friend was cool but that's about it. This is super uninteresting. I really don't feel like going further with this.

[BladeMancer]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Well I wouldn't be against all these hi-tech stuff were invested into reasonable unconventional weaponry either. Anyway use it on Objects is incredibly waste of all that awesome technology, that would work better literally on anything else.

If an object were to verse an army with weapons able to destroy objects that object would still annihilate that army. It's speed, armour, amount of weapons, targeting system and range of fire far outclass the power of modern day weaponry (even if it is enhanced by object firepower). It is far more convenient as well, especially since there is only one person operating it casualties could be reduced to a minimum. Objects make war easier and less expensive

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Well I wouldn't be against all these hi-tech stuff were invested into reasonable unconventional weaponry either. Anyway use it on Objects is incredibly waste of all that awesome technology, that would work better literally on anything else.

Alright:

1. Said awesome technology is expensive. As I posted before, the armor costs money and sweat to make. And it's only so effective because there're a ton of layers. Too thick to put on something like a ship or tank, much less a jet.
2. It might be possible to put coil guns and railguns on a tank or ship, but it'd have to be seriously downsized. With a limited range and firepower, not to mention the extra weight, what use would they be against 530 km/hour moving objects?

This last point is where our arguments intersect. Tenzen12, I do believe I know where you're coming from. In the age in which these technologies existed, but before the conception of the object, it would've been downright heretical to even think about investing all this in a single unit. Modern warfare and weapon development espouses standardizing techniques and weaponry to make them available to all units, while developing weaponry to specialize for specific functions.

But at some point, in Heavy Object-verse, someone on a certain island nation actually managed to make the pitch. Taking quality over quantity to the extreme. The result was a single unit of such quality that no quantity of conventional weaponry could compete. Even if the quality of said conventional weaponry were raised by applying the same technologies and techniques, they can't compete. This might be where you need suspension of disbelief, but the way I see it it is no different from paradigm shifts you can find in human history. People thought the earth was the center of the universe, that flight was impossible, and matter consisting of tiny balls was a crackpot theory. But all those assumptions that had stood for hundreds to thousands of years were overturned. So who's to say that the principles of warfare and weapons development couldn't be turned on its head?

[LazyHunter]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Well I wouldn't be against all these hi-tech stuff were invested into reasonable unconventional weaponry either. Anyway use it on Objects is incredibly waste of all that awesome technology, that would work better literally on anything else.

No, it wouldn't. As Shlugo pointed out here, if you want to use Object weapons, which it's the only thing that can pierce onion armor you need their reactor, which is big. If you want to use the onion armor you need to be big in order to have enough layers. You eventually end up making another Object.

Also, those two things are expensive and wouldn't be used in something that would be squished by an actual Object.

[FlareKnight]

While I can understand some skepticism, I feel like the first episode gave enough in order to give the show some benefit of the doubt. It does make some logical sense if you could build that monster and someone did, that the pure power and effectiveness of it would shift war and battle. And that if you want that kind of firepower or defensive ability you basically need an Object in order to match up.

Sometimes quality just is that darn good that any attempt to dip more towards quantity just won't work.

[madmanthan21]

Also, some of the times, the objects aren't actually fighting, atleast against some of the not so aligned with superpower states.

The object is just there to shot 'i have a big stick', kinda like aircraft carriers today, quite a few of the missions they do can be done by destroyers, but the carriers is the intimidation factor.

[BladeMancer]

The people on MAL are so wrong about this. Some have actually dropped this on the first episode and I find that pretty pathetic, do they honestly think that they will explain everything on the first episode? Like what do you expect it's an introductory episode that's supposed to tell you a basic summary to let you settle in nicely
I died on the inside

[thundrakkon]

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Come on... It's gotta be Tahiti! Tahiti's a magical place!

Better yet! Maldives! War around the world causing the water levels to rise, endangering Maldives, so they decided to create an ultimate weapon as payback! It would also explain the lack of security in retaining that technology.

In all seriousness, if the author does not list the country, then we will not know. It can be Japan, Taiwan, New Guinea, Greenland, Philippines, Iceland, United Kingdom, and Ireland, just to name a few.

Wherever it came from, we'll just have to take the technology in the anime with a grain of salt. It is what it is in this fantasy story, so no use beating our heads around it.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by BladeMancer

The people on MAL are so wrong about this. Some have actually dropped this on the first episode and I find that pretty pathetic, do they honestly think that they will explain everything on the first episode? Like what do you expect it's an introductory episode that's supposed to tell you a basic summary to let you settle in nicely
I died on the inside

They'll be back. They'll come crawling back.

[askara]

Objects duking it out with each other is not the same as when they're shooting down missiles and jets. For one thing you'll need a big weapon to punch through their armor, which is different from the 'smaller' weapons used to shoot down 'light' targets.

looking at Baby magnum(the first gen Object) it was shooting down missile and jet with that laser cannon and that is the most powerful weapon on it(since they are the biggest lol). are you telling me they cant puncture through other object? and since all those weapon is laser based they should have extremely long range,

Another thing is not all Objects have the same specs, some are faster, most carry different armaments.

that what i am saying, Object have different spec, the one with the longest range gun will win(even if not one shot from what i saw, those laser gun have extremely high rate of fire so it doesnt matter), Skill of the pilot is irrelevant because no modern weapon will miss target that big and no amount of evasive action will matter since those weapon is laser based(or railgun?)


actually after playing MGSV, isnt Object pretty pointless? i mean yes it can be invincible, but as soon as it invade other country, wont the other country retaliate with nuke? no not on the Object but the whole country, hence Nuke deterrence. that "certain island country" cant do shit with 14 nation's nuke trained on them, they dont even need to fight the Object in the first place because that "certain island country" will be forced to surrender the moment it made enemy out of the allied nation. (oh maybe thats why every nation know how to make it because that "certain island country" is force to reveal the secret.

i wonder how much Object cost to make, a mass produced Raptor 22 now cost $100 million which is consider really cheap, with all those cutting edge material on it, i think it would realistically bankrupt every country except the top 5


haha i guess i and most people is over analysing this and should just take it as what it is.

[The TouMAN]

Originally Posted by BladeMancer

The people on MAL are so wrong about this. Some have actually dropped this on the first episode and I find that pretty pathetic, do they honestly think that they will explain everything on the first episode? Like what do you expect it's an introductory episode that's supposed to tell you a basic summary to let you settle in nicely
I died on the inside

Oh that cancerous place? well go figures but yet really pre judging something out of the first episode is just bulls....

Anyway i really really was waiting on this adaptation... can¨t wait to start seeing at all the badassery that is bound to come by these 2 idiots xD

[The 48th Ronin]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Come on... It's gotta be Tahiti! Tahiti's a magical place!

Better yet! Maldives! War around the world causing the water levels to rise, endangering Maldives, so they decided to create an ultimate weapon as payback! It would also explain the lack of security in retaining that technology.

In all seriousness, if the author does not list the country, then we will not know. It can be Japan, Taiwan, New Guinea, Greenland, Philippines, Iceland, United Kingdom, and Ireland, just to name a few.

I gotta say it's probably Cuba. Because the Object is the People's Weapon against Yankee capitalism!

Or maybe it's Singapore!

[Takeshi senpai]

And using nukes willl cause the other country to use theirs in turn. Nobody said the country that sent out their object has dismantled their nuclear missiles, so to prevent MAD, building an object seems like a better option.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by The TouMAN

well go figures but yet really pre judging something out of the first episode is just bulls....

Audience attention spans, after all. If you're going to entertain and you want people to watch it, that's important. Maybe it'll be better later, but whether people will wait to judge until that time is... on the contrary.

[OH&S]

^
True enough. But if the show hasn't even displayed its strengths or schtick yet to be fairly judged upon then.........thats mostly the anime's fault. But partly the audience as well.

Either way, Episode 2 can't come fast enough as the conversation should change almost immediately upon the events that occur.

[Kenju of the Right]

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by BladeMancer

The people on MAL are so wrong about this. Some have actually dropped this on the first episode and I find that pretty pathetic, do they honestly think that they will explain everything on the first episode? Like what do you expect it's an introductory episode that's supposed to tell you a basic summary to let you settle in nicely
I died on the inside

You mean the place that shitted on SAO but then turned it into their flagship anime?