(L) Sengoku Basara

[SonicX_Zero]

I just saw ep.1 and it was great, although the experience this time for me is quite different since I can at least understand what happens unlike playing the game. XD I can't wait to see Kenshin fight since he's my favorite character to use in the game.

[Proudleaf]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

http://yunakiti.blog79.fc2.com/blog-entry-2648.html

What the hell?

That is really weird. I wonder, which version will fansubbers be using?

I personally prefer the TBS one, because Yukimura looks so much more badass.

[SageGaiGar]

They've been using the other one so far. 'least on the streams.

[monir]

Sub is out, not that anyone needs to be told. But.. hey!

On another note, SageGaiGar signature image always manages to crack me up. Gaming (and fansubbing) is serious business even though younger generation seems to miss the point. Punks..

[gundam rider]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

http://yunakiti.blog79.fc2.com/blog-entry-2648.html

fangirl version & fanboy version?.....

the TBS one looks kinda more similar or close to the video game art-style designs.....

[yezhanquan]

Originally Posted by monir

On another note, SageGaiGar signature image always manages to crack me up. Gaming (and fansubbing) is serious business even though younger generation seems to miss the point. Punks..

Well, it is Serious Business when you play with other humans. Against the AI (just like in SB), what business? Just go in there and start tossing some mooks for starters!

[Bordix]

wow, and here I though this anime doesn't get any more ridiculous. More xtreme fight scenes and horses that defy gravity. heck, do these guys even need an army? It looks like to me each one of them can pretty much solo an entire platoon

So they finally clash with Nobunaga and his forces, Date looks so pissed there. Perhaps a history between the two? Anyways, This was way better than ep 1 IMO, the only thing it lacks is the more english speaking from Date

I'm so hooked, can't wait for the next episode

[yezhanquan]

@Bordix: That's pretty much the point in the game itself. Unlike Samurai Warriors, Basara really turns the PC into a 1-man army with sufficient exp + eq.

[FRS]

A little question, is there a particular reason why Oda Nobunaga portrayed as a dark lord straigth from from a fantasy novel ?

[qmeister]

Originally Posted by FRS

A little question, is there a particular reason why Oda Nobunaga portrayed as a dark lord straigth from from a fantasy novel ?

He's been portrayed as having otherworldly powers for quite a while, mostly due to his brutality and philosophy of war. Never mind that he wasn't actually that bad at that time.

[Sinn]

Watched the subs and I cracked up when imagawa had his doubles on, Masamune went "Shit!" Lmao it was funny for some reason.

[aohige]

^The way Nobunaga is portrayed is very diffrent from area to area in Japan.

He was known for being ruthless and unforgiving to his enemies, and have done many deeds that would be considered atrocities today.
Sometimes, when he conquered enemies he despised the most, he gathered hundreds of their family members and burned them all to death.

But on the positive side, he was also known for being very tolerant to things diffrent.
Most Japanese warlords valued tradition and status quo, and looked down on foreigners and foreign culture as heretics, barbarians, and inhuman. But Nobunaga was not the case at all.

He adopted foreign trade much faster and wide-spread than anyone else in the era, and fortified his army with rifles.
He befriended foreign missionaries, and showed great tolerance to christianity and various religions in general.

Here's an interesting story.
He befriended a Catholic priest from Italy, who owned an African slave.
Nobunaga had never seen a human being with such a dark skin, and showed great interest in the man.
The priest gave Nobunaga his slave as a gift, and Nobunaga took him under his wings.
He trained him, and gave him a Japanese name Yasuke, and treated him as a human being.
Nobunaga gave Yasuke a title of samurai, and place to live. In return, Yasuke served Nobunaga royaly.

Even though Nobunaga is seen as a ruthless tyrant by many people, historically speaking, he's accomplished many positive deeds as far as advancement of the culture. The atrocities he commited were nothing unique to him, and was common amongst the warlords in Japan. I personally feel his cultural tolerance in an era of intolerance bears much more importance than the stereotypical villain image he's portrayed in. I think his frequently negative image is unfair, IMO.

[Kaze]

Originally Posted by The Chaos

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Mind if I take this one?

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by aohige

Even though Nobunaga is seen as a ruthless tyrant by many people, historically speaking, he's accomplished many positive deeds as far as advancement of the culture. The atrocities he commited were nothing unique to him, and was common amongst the warlords in Japan. I personally feel his cultural tolerance in an era of intolerance bears much more importance than the stereotypical villain image he's portrayed in. I think his frequently negative image is unfair, IMO.

Sometimes people did try to portray him in different image, though. Like Sengoku Rance .
Admittedly, through all the games I had always believed Nobunaga as a demon lord for a long time when I was young. People only know about him for his negative acts. If it's not because of Sengoku Rance (duh, I just wanted to know about the other lords, so I did some reading about them, and came across one about what Nobunaga accomplished ), I wouldn't have know the good thing he did, except for adapting foreign knowledge.

[SageGaiGar]

Originally Posted by aohige

^The way Nobunaga is portrayed is very diffrent from area to area in Japan.

He was known for being ruthless and unforgiving to his enemies, and have done many deeds that would be considered atrocities today.
Sometimes, when he conquered enemies he despised the most, he gathered hundreds of their family members and burned them all to death.

But on the positive side, he was also known for being very tolerant to things diffrent.
Most Japanese warlords valued tradition and status quo, and looked down on foreigners and foreign culture as heretics, barbarians, and inhuman. But Nobunaga was not the case at all.

He adopted foreign trade much faster and wide-spread than anyone else in the era, and fortified his army with rifles.
He befriended foreign missionaries, and showed great tolerance to christianity and various religions in general.

Here's an interesting story.
He befriended a Catholic priest from Italy, who owned an African slave.
Nobunaga had never seen a human being with such a dark skin, and showed great interest in the man.
The priest gave Nobunaga his slave as a gift, and Nobunaga took him under his wings.
He trained him, and gave him a Japanese name Yasuke, and treated him as a human being.
Nobunaga gave Yasuke a title of samurai, and place to live. In return, Yasuke served Nobunaga royaly.

Even though Nobunaga is seen as a ruthless tyrant by many people, historically speaking, he's accomplished many positive deeds as far as advancement of the culture. The atrocities he commited were nothing unique to him, and was common amongst the warlords in Japan. I personally feel his cultural tolerance in an era of intolerance bears much more importance than the stereotypical villain image he's portrayed in. I think his frequently negative image is unfair, IMO.

Might be that cultural toleration and going against tradition that had people making him out as a 'demon' and looking less at his more positive traits and putting emphasis on the atrocities.

[solomon]

Originally Posted by The Chaos

Thanks Although I'm not that Good gif maker


Avatars From ep 2 ^__^

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They All Freebies ^__^

Might I partake of this one?

[The Chaos]

Originally Posted by Kaze

Mind if I take this one?

Originally Posted by solomon

Might I partake of this one?

I don't mind..they are Freebies ^__^

[FRS]

Thanks for the informations guys

[mageormike]

That is really interesting stuff. I minored in Japan Studies in college, but the majority of my history classes didn't go a whole lot into the warring states period. Mostly skimmed over everything until Edo period and the Bakufu anyways ^_^;;

At any rate, if you were to base your opinion on games and media, Nobunaga was not only an evil demon overlord, but was Nori Wakamoto as well XD (curious, don't have the time to check it right now, but how many times has he done the voice for Nobunaga I wonder?)

[stormy001_M1A2]

Originally Posted by FRS

A little question, is there a particular reason why Oda Nobunaga portrayed as a dark lord straigth from from a fantasy novel ?

He is done so because many Japanese samurai commentators regarded him as upstart usurper that destroyed harmony of Japanese idealized samurai hierarchy. In their view, he is the motorcycle gang leader complete with punk hair and bad attitude. He is brilliant, unorthodox and uncharacteristically non conformist Japanese warlord hence his constant portrayal as dark lord.

Confucian influenced samurai commentators did not like upstarts hence they often written Nobunaga in rather bad light, only concede grudging respect when it warrants so such as his conduct in Battle of Nagashino 1575 CE and his putting down of Ikko-Ikki monk rebellion. Not to mention his ruthless campaign against Iga ninja clan which some historian compare it to Mongolian genocide against feared Assassin clan during the Crusades in terms of unintended benefit.

In other summary, he is failed version of Chin's Shih Huang Ti.

Back to Sengoku Basara, it is easy template for story writters to copy the popular casting of Nobunaga as badass baddie instead of more understanding examination of him. Just like how most Romance of 3 Kingdom media usage of Cao Cao as villain most of the time.