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View Poll Results: Clannad ~After Story~ - Episode 16 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 180 | 70.59% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 38 | 14.90% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 7.84% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 1.57% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 0.78% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.39% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.39% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 9 | 3.53% | |
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2009-02-03, 06:09 | Link #282 |
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Ok for those who have seen episode 16, read the spoiler. For those that haven't don't read it - I am warning you! Does anyone have predictions that Nagisa may indeed come back in Clannad After Story? Because there are pretty much multiple endings when I played the game. Do you think it may be that Tomoya will find his happy ending with Ushio? Or will KEY input the balls of light story (Because I would really like to see the Okazaki family with everyone: Ushio, Tomoya, and Nagisa). So does anyone have speculations that it is possible that maybe KEY will throw in an OVA, or use up 3 - 2episodes dedicated to their happinness together? I mean I already knew it was going to happen, but I really wish to see the balls of light.
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2009-02-03, 07:40 | Link #283 | |
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But it wasn't like Nagisa intended to die for Ushio. The couple had really hoped to raise Ushio together. And that success should never be called naive or stupid. Please don't call another person naive or stupid for wanting to have a child unless that person really is an awful person. Could it be that you just said this the wrong way on accident? But if you're saying that Nagisa was stupid for wanting a child even though her life was at risk, then... She says herself that even if her body is weak, she wants to live strongly. If the person I loved thought that, then I probably would support her, since that seems essential to who she is. If you ever have to deny your love of their own feelings, then you may be with the wrong person, right? Which is probably why Tomoya would rather blame himself for first speaking to Nagisa, rather than blaming himself for getting her pregnant or not convincing her to abort the child. I said this earlier but again, I am thinking that Nagisa had to have a very special and intimate reason for wanting a child. I don't think she would want to have a baby simply because of some maternal calling, biological clock, or whatever. I sure hope the show answers this. In fact I suspected that the answer to this question is central to CLANNAD being about family. |
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2009-02-03, 08:08 | Link #284 |
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Can someone answer my question? Lol. Like I really want to know your guy's opinion on if Nagisa will ever really come back. Like does anyone think that Tomoya, Ushio, the robot, and the girl in his dreams will have a chance to revert time and collect the orbs of light to revive Nagisa and live a happy life?
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2009-02-03, 08:15 | Link #285 |
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You might want to try the speculation thread for first time viewers instead.
/me watches at the pile of posts he'd had to reply if he wanted to continue the argument. You guys sure worked hard last night huh? I could bring in a few arguments, like why the doctors didn't determined that allowing Nagisa to reach labor time would have been too dangerous and didn't perform a preemptive caesarian section and whatnot, but without more information about the circumstances beyond 'she was sickly' I guess it's pretty much arguing for the sake of arguing, so I'll leave it at that.
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2009-02-03, 08:56 | Link #287 | ||
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2009-02-03, 09:57 | Link #288 | ||
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I absolutely didn't want to stir matters about personal point of view etc, but factual statements like this irk me like no tomorrow.
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1 week? Even preemptive hospitalization of mere 1-2 days CAN BE refused, because of place and queue issue. 1 week is downright impossible for most case, and this is even worse for pregnancy and birth. And date? I don't think if I should burst your bubble, but science is not almighty. Determining the term of pregnancy is by no mean accurate science. In general, it is MUCH rarer to have a exact date for the birth date, people assuming you have a general leeway of 1 week. However, preterm and the like are common events, so it is nearly impossible to predict that (especially when the bag of waters rupturs by itself out of nowhere). People having birth during flight travels and the like are absolutely not at fault most of the case: they can't command at will when the labor starts (until you do it forcefully, post-term, with heavy dosis of prostaglandin and performing an amniotomy). While the snow might be debatable, the date and the circumstances of the labor are absolutely NOT controllable, let alone predictable. Mothers waiting in hospital before labor is a DAMN MYTH. The vast majority have to go the hospital as an emergency, only when they dumbfoundedly notice that the amniotic sac is ruptured.
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2009-02-03, 11:29 | Link #289 | |
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(unpleasant experience was my 8 y/o self slipping on the water when I was just minding my own business that was grabbing something in the fridge .__.) Moreover, on the topic of why they did not bring her to the hospital, there was obvious money issues and, yes, pregnancy and its happenings are a very unpredicable thing. How is the health care system in japan? Close to USA system? Or Canada? |
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2009-02-03, 11:42 | Link #290 | |
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2009-02-03, 11:55 | Link #291 | |
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When has Nagisa ever asked for something like that? She wouldn't. What she really cares about is accomplishing her goals, and pushing the envelope to do it because she is ill. She didn't have to finish High School. Tomoya wanted to take care of her. She could have worked with her parents at the bakery. But she wanted to finish and she pushed her physical limits in order to do it. It would have been uncharacteristic for her to give up on having the baby. And it would have been uncharacteristic of Tomoya to tell her that she couldn't have the baby. If that's the way the story went all believability would have completely gone out the window. |
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2009-02-03, 14:39 | Link #293 | |
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2009-02-03, 14:49 | Link #294 | ||
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I agree…but that doesn’t erase the fact that the wish was a little selfish…I’m not condemning Tomoya for doing it…I mean it’s normal for a person to want to protect himself or herself from pain and sadness.
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2009-02-03, 15:35 | Link #295 |
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So? The ends didn't justify the means. She was sick and potentially more likely to die from childbirth then the average woman. They all knew that but went ahead with it just because of pride and dna. They really didn't think this through or consider the consequences. I always knew Nagisa was a retard, but damn...oh well, at least I don't have to hear her sing the dango song anymore, lol.
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2009-02-03, 15:46 | Link #296 | |
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Why are you watching this show at all? Also, to all of you complaining about Nagisa's unknown disease... it should be answered eventually. |
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2009-02-03, 15:47 | Link #297 |
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Because of pride...?
I fail to see how parents would sacrifice themselves for a child out of pride, especially considering character like Nagisa. I seriously question this statement here: the life of a child is nothing like a possession or whatnot, it doesn't have anything to do a random pride of some old fashioned family that need offspring for their bloodline. It has nothing to do with this. I'm quite astonished that you can even consider that kind of explanation. "So? The ends didn't justify the means." I'm sorry, but it wasn't never a "trade off" to begin with. It isn't like you lost something to gain something else. it is a complete another level. And not considering the consequences? I believe episode 15 and their promise was nothing of a red herring: they did consider as well the worst case scenario and thought about that. Tomoya was almost flinching for abortion, but Nagisa couldn't accept that (and any mother with that cruel dilemna wouldn't choose "abortion" all the time. That is silly, it is depending of each individual).
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2009-02-03, 16:03 | Link #298 | |
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You'd probably call her a retard too if the disease was aids. But the way I see it, the disease Nagisa had was no better than that. Considering what they were up against, there was nothing wrong with adoption.
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2009-02-03, 16:04 | Link #299 |
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As I said earlier, religion and cultural beliefs can also play a big part in this matter. The thing is that we don't know what Nagisa or Tomoya's religious upbringing is like (if they have any at all). I mention this because to some religions "abortion" is never an option. It is not even considered. There are other things that culture and religion could influence heavily in their situation, but we can't really know because we don't know those sorts of details (to my knowledge at least).
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2009-02-03, 16:04 | Link #300 | |
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And please, please, stop using the term "retard". It's VERY offensive. |
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