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Those fancy moves are not planet breakers, and no, not even mountain breakers. Magic in the MSLN world is a wonderful thing, but short of specialised orbital launch weapons like the Arc'Enciel, we have not been shown any "really" powerful spells. If anything, most of the spells we have seen are glorified anti-personnel attacks. Probably the reason why "Mass-based Weapons" are banned in Mid-Childan, because they were vaporising Mages. Cheers.
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2012-07-31, 10:54 | Link #286 |
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I have evidence to the contrary. Divine Buster and Thunder Smasher pulverized through Garden of Time in a fraction of a second, which I've estimated to be pretty big. Kilometers big. Not only is that powerful but also reflects the speed of their attacks.
Divine Buster Full Power also had an AOE reaching tens of kilometers. They would be able to break a mountain just fine, actually. The few times they're able to showcase how powerful they are, it's actually pretty absurd. |
2012-07-31, 11:30 | Link #287 |
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I agree wth VezSketch in the absurdity of the power of Nanoha characters. The defense profram of the book of darkness isn't something conventional weapons can deal with. In fact, conventional weapons hardly would compete with an A+ mage or above (Subaru can shrugg off tank shells like nothing ....pointblank, and she's a B+ ranker). Big hitter like Hayate can wipe out cities or at least perform mountain-destroying attacks, ask the wet pants of Fortis and Stella if you don't believe me xDU Nanoha outright vaporized a city with Starlight Breaker, Fate can cast electric storms powerfull enough to bend the ocean at age 9 xDU
Character become much moremodest by the time of StrikerS but during season one and A's they were ridicculously overpowered. Maybe this was the result of Power creep/sweep to balance out the old cast with the new cast and the expanded universe which resulted in the A's cast being nerfed to avoid them moping the floor with everything or being in the need to animate apocaliptic battles against equally powerfull opponents. Still much phlebotinum was needed to justify the nerfing: AMF, limiters, relic powered craddle/Sankt Kaiser. I give kudos to the Numbers for being able to match mages far stronger than them trough tactics, teamwork and strategy rather than plain brute strenght like the Wolkenritter did last season. By the way, Vez-kun, you haven't answered my question, what was that superpowerfull attack Nanoha blocked with her roudn shield in StrikerS xD?
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Not to mention this little tidbit. That explosion spans hundreds of kilometers.
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2012-07-31, 11:44 | Link #289 |
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That attack didn't expand "hundreds of kilomoeters", granted that was a possibility, but the attack only expanded a bit outside Yuuno's barrier which was deployed inside a training room aboard a TSAB ship ...so the "hundreds of kilometers" argument isn't possible, otherwise the entire ship should be anhilated xDU
And by the way, none of Signum's spells reach an S- Rank, they're indeed powerfull but lack range and most of them are exclusively anti-personel attacks with few exceptions. Karyuu Issen isn't ranked as far as i know but that's an attack she performs unisoned with Agito (i don't know if she can use a weaker version of the spell on her own). That's why i say rank isn't everythng, Signum lacks wide area attacks and most of her power is applied one on one so she instead became an expert in getting into close range where her attacks are effective. Signum is indeed weaker than Nanoha but the she's still better suited for close combat and managed sucessfully to get into Nanoha's meele range.
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2012-07-31, 11:47 | Link #290 |
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Superpowerful explosions like the one depicted in that manga page, I should mention, typically happen when two Breaker attacks collide. ViVid showed us that's what's supposed to happen. So an explosion that big is likely because Hayate's attack collided with Nanoha and Fate's. Kind of a special case.
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2012-07-31, 11:55 | Link #291 | ||
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Even if you assume that both attacks contributed, the explosion still was more than hundreds of kilometers wide and in height.
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2012-07-31, 11:56 | Link #292 | |
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If you're talking about how she tanked the blast towards the helicopter it was implied she deflected the attack with a blast of her own ...not with a shield, we never saw a shield and Nanoha was helding RH in shooting stance after blocking it.
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2012-07-31, 15:57 | Link #295 |
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Yes it was. That was the entire point of the Teana overdoing it arc in StrikerS. Starlight Breaker accumulates magic beyond the users normal limit, overuse of which can lead to damage. Nanoha found this out the hard way when she got ambushed and her body failed at the wrong time from the overuse, which is why they showed the video to Teana, who was walking towards much a similar pitfall. The point of which is that it isn't only the Blaster system that is dangerous to the body when it comes to Nanoha.
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2012-07-31, 16:37 | Link #297 |
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Because back in this post you were discussing A's stuff. Hell, your entire base post was pre-StrikerS stuff. And even if you persist that you were "only discussing StrikerS" the first season to mention the whole "Nanoha injured because of SLB" was StrikerS. Regardless of how you look at it, my post was directly related to the point being discussed.
As for SLB, it was specifically singled out as an example and shocked the forwards that someone of her age was using accumulatory canonfire, making it clear that this was something far beyond regular levels. The booklets then went into detail, noting specifically the burden it places on the body when exceeding the users level. Now remember that Nanoha was the only one of the cast using such a technique, connect the dots, and we can see that SLB was one of the main causes for her event. |
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That's what was being talked about with that specific comment. Your post does not follow, especially considering his comment wasn't even relevant in the first place. So, yeah, no relevance. By all means, though, you can keep going. Quote:
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(StS DVD3) Spells which uses one’s own mana to accumulate released Mana in the surroundings, then reuses and re-releases it as a bombardment attack. These accumulatory skills are unique in that they allow reuse of Mana which has already been used. Furthermore, in addition to magic released by the user, Mana released by any opponents can also be collected and reused, allowing enormous output potential. For Bombardment Mages, these attacks can be said to be nigh-impossible ultimate attacks; however, in cases dealing with Mana levels greatly exceeding the user’s limits, the burden placed on the user’s body can be prodigious. Combined with lots of people going "What the hell!?" over it. I can't really find the part in the A's manga that says her general magic usage is as dangerous though. The closest would be her training routine, which, while stressing it was very strenuous, was brushed aside quite easily. |
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