2012-09-02, 06:45 | Link #2981 | |
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But he is only Vagan who dares to suspect Ezelcant 's plan. and not just only one time. while no any other vagan dares to think Your Nazi example is good but still has weak points. if Zeheart is nazi-like character , he will never show any suspection to the supreme commander's plan or even listen to enemy's word about commander's doing. not just that , he showed some angers toward Ezelcant directly when he knew the truth. (what a nazi he is ???) so why can't we say he had ideals on his own ? at least he has sanity more than all of vagan character on the show, no , we could say he has it more than the main protagonist of the series (Flit). Yes, any honourable guy can make mistake but isn't it too much ? , for the character who has been developed in good way, to change into cheap villain like that. He can not change his mind or even re-thinking |
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2012-09-02, 07:32 | Link #2982 | |
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1) Judging from the spoilers, his decisions doesn't seem to affect overall plot a lot. At all, in fact. 2) It's just a waste of character. Vagans have no shortage of grotesquely evil or outright crazy characters, and any of them could have taken his place. I can't think of any other reason why it should have been Zeheart other than to set up one final battle for SUPER PILOT, which would be kina hard to do if Zeheart defected. P.S. Haven't watched Stardust Memory yet, so can't provide any opinion on Gato character. Last edited by overloard; 2012-09-02 at 08:30. |
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2012-09-02, 07:54 | Link #2983 |
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lol i have to stop reading about Gundam AGE hate.... its true most of the hate about age is due to poor character development as all hated anime shows...
to me from what i observe on viewers reaction and my liking for AGE is that Gundam AGE is more Plot-Driven Story since it tackles 3 generations and a lot of story elements from previous gundam shows since it has more sub-plots that made most character development somewhat lacking and not likable by many take for example Wendy remember her? Kio's girlfriend or Girard Spriggan that only lasted at least 2 episodes? so ye... Gundam 00, Seed, etc in the other hand has more of Character-Driven Story their are longer and enough character development and character interactions that most viewers can relate too and dream of and made characters more memorable to me im more of a Plot-Driven Story viewer so i like Gundam AGE |
2012-09-02, 11:06 | Link #2985 | |
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Also I don't buy the excuse that you should use only evil characters to show that only evil characters do evil deeds, indeed showing good people doing evil things (whether knowingly or not) SHOULD be what Gundam is really about. While AGE does have crappy characterisation it is not true that AGE only had simplistic single motive characters, especially since Gen 3. What about Shanalua for example? Or even Reina (sic)? I think most people are just upset about Zeheart's dismiss because he had fallen from his grace and shows the Vagans for what they are - a body of (rightfully) disgruntle people whom is using the wrong method to achieve their goal and hurting innocent people in the process, Zeheart included.
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2012-09-02, 16:26 | Link #2989 | |
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We'll see how it all works out in Age. Reading some of the reactions here, I don't have high hopes, but as I've said already, I'm not going to prejudge.
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2012-09-02, 16:36 | Link #2990 | |
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2012-09-03, 09:55 | Link #2993 |
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This is great.
Aside of the changes in story there are many interestings info about techs. -Clanche is a cross suit of Adele and Zedas developed by Madorna and Techno Solon. -Dark Hound's spear is a DODS spear that fixed with DODS field by the same system as Titus. It's true nature is a molecule breaking weapon. The things we can see as the spear is merely a リフェーザー(resonance particle) generator. -Orbital is freaking powerful!!. It use the field that was generated to create a psuedo repulsive force that use to accelerated, and using that to bending beam. That's allow it's to shoot safely while staying in the cover. When being aimed by the enemy it can evade easily by the freaking maneuver. not tomentioned that it also has an amazing armor. |
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For a contrasting example, take Asemu, I'm sympathetic to Asemu Gen 2 situation since Flit is/was the perfect dad whom was better than Asemu in nearly everything thus making Asemu feel inferior, that is something of which Asemu has absolutely no control over and why that makes Asemu a sympathetic character in Gen 2. Quote:
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Ok not brainwashed but seriously ignorant and naive. Still doesn't change the fact that he from start to end blindly follows Ezelcant. Quote:
EDIT: I think I know why you keep having problems with Zeheart's characterisation for being like this, because Zeheart is just merely a less angry Vagan version of Flit and you don't like that fact. Both are supposedly highly intellectual and caring towards their own group (in the novel it was said Flit remembers all the names of the families whom were killed by Vagans, just like Zeheart remembers the names of his subordinates whom were killed) and both were supposedly fight for the better outcome of their own group with little regard for the opposing side. Heck it could be argued that Flit got his fair share of brainwashing from his mum telling him to be the Messiah/Saviour not unlike Ezelcant telling Zeheart to be the beacon of light. Yep, they are just the same on the opposite side and that makes you uncomfortable due to how similar they are AND in the end it turned out Flit whom you hate was the one who could change for the better but not Zeheart and that makes you really uncomfortable.
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