2013-08-15, 16:22 | Link #30021 |
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Divers enter Indian submarine where 18 sailors feared dead following explosion,
fire (w/video): "Despite hours of searching the dark, muddy water inside a submarine crippled by twin explosions, Indian navy divers have yet to find the 18 sailors feared dead there, possibly because the heat of the blasts melted some hatches shut, the navy said Thursday. There has been no word from the sailors — or even a knock on the submarine’s hull — since the explosions shot huge fireballs into the sky over a Mumbai navy base Wednesday morning." See: http://www.vancouverdesi.com/news/in...-video/608039/ |
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I'm not believer in Shinto religion, but I understand the concept of wishing souls to rest in peace. Quote:
That shrine has been there long before the war and people still go there to pay respect to the dead. Why would it be wrong for a Japanese politician to go there while it is OK for the average citizen of any country (including Japanese citizens) to give offerings and pray for the dead at that shrine? If you have issues with the whole subject matter, fly there and go have a scrap with the high priests who decide who is to be enshrined or not. And guess what: the Dalai-Lama (a man of peace) went to that shrine in 1981. Did he ever mean to show the middle finger to China by going there? I don't think he ever had that in mind. Quote:
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2013-08-15, 16:45 | Link #30023 | |||
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2013-08-15, 16:48 | Link #30024 | |
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Every time I see you write anything, you piss off other people here especially because they're not Japanese like you. |
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2013-08-15, 16:56 | Link #30026 | |
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Sorry, but at least know what you're writing about before writing. That's all I have to say to you on this matter. |
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2013-08-15, 16:57 | Link #30027 | |
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While I would agree that the China side's being hypocritical, I don't consider their reaction unnatural (though they certainly did overreact, to put it mildly, at rioting several months ago). Anyway, I am not trying to make excuse for China in particular, I know the CCP continuously fuel their people of anti-Japanism, but I just want to say that if the current German Chancellor visits a shrine for the Nazi higher-ups, I am pretty sure the Jewish's reaction would be similar. For reference, some of the most significant Nazi higher-ups didn't have a proper marked grave either. Last edited by maplehurry; 2013-08-15 at 18:01. |
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2013-08-15, 17:00 | Link #30028 | |
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Of course, there are other issues related to the far right, but the Class A criminals are the main trigger. |
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2013-08-15, 17:08 | Link #30029 |
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Then Hirohito should have given a piece of his mind to the shrine's priests at the time and exerted his authority on this matter. I thought the Emperor was the supreme governor of the Shinto religion as much as the Monarch of Britain is also the supreme governor of the Anglican Church standing above the Archbishop of Canterbury, no?
The priests are the only ones who deserve a slap behind their heads here. If anyone has a problem with the enshrinement, then I agree to blame the priests on any day. |
2013-08-15, 17:11 | Link #30030 | |
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Exactly why I'm asking you to at least know what you're talking about. The priest didn't make the move without support from the politicians who are now worshipping there. It's basically a mafia helping each other out. |
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2013-08-15, 17:28 | Link #30031 | |
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I'm sure we all recognize that modern Japan is radically different from WWII-era Japan.
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2013-08-15, 17:30 | Link #30032 |
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If the emperor of Japan decides not go, then I think it is aright Japanese politicians to avoid the shrine.
One thing I find it ironic in some of statements here, you guys talk about nationalist in Korea or China, but nationalist in Japan are stirring this issue in the first place.
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2013-08-15, 17:32 | Link #30033 | |
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Structure is radically different, but those in power are not. Heck, even my family would be among those hypocrites if they weren't a bit enlightened compared to most. |
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2013-08-15, 18:42 | Link #30035 | ||
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Edit: since this might be a bit obtuse, I'll clarify that this message was a slight against ArchmageXin's position as well as Sumeragi's stance of trying to stop conversation by telling people they don't know anything. Please continue to write about things you don't know about, otherwise we'd have no discussion and we wouldn't get any exchanges of ideas and information. Thanks.
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2013-08-15, 18:50 | Link #30036 | |
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It's just my opinion of course. Maybe I am just too practical-minded.
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2013-08-15, 19:02 | Link #30037 | |
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Alot of killings and rapes happened without direct orders of higher-ups. But even more killings happened because of direct orders of these higher-ups. The ones who gave order for Pearl Harbor without declaration of war... The ones responsible for delaying/refusing to surrender... The ones responsible for sending false msg to the Japanese populace that the Caucasian were monsters to keep them fighting until death without surrender... (ok, there's propaganda from both sides, but it's clear some of these Imperial higher-ups didn't care about the lives of their people...) The ones who gave the approval for executing suspected insurgent after their arrest, even though it doesn't take anything for anyone to become a suspect. There's also the human experimentation, which is pretty gruesome, though I suppose it wouldn't particularly stand out given how brutal ww2 as a whole was. Last edited by maplehurry; 2013-08-15 at 19:35. |
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2013-08-15, 19:18 | Link #30038 | |||
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Then again, these people are already dead. Sons should not inherit the sins of their fathers. Let them rest in peace; they are still human. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone here would perform grisly psyops as a military leader. The Gurkhas behead Japanese soldiers head-on during "counter-banzai" charges (pun unintended), but why are they all war heroes despite their explicit maiming of their enemies? Quote:
If thinking out of textbook and "knowledge" is really that difficult then donate your braincells to someone else. Quote:
One thing the Americans should have help exported to Asia is the Pakistani/Indian style of "democratic politics", where assassins are hired to kill their opponents. With the advent of Web 2.0 in new media, I am sure the different sides of supporters would enjoy the live celebrity deathmatches to shoot their way to their own cabinet (metaphor intended, literally).
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2013-08-15, 20:29 | Link #30039 |
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The "old wounds" seem to be a huge issue in the far east... this seems like an up to eleven version of the whole "Dot Pixis from the shingeki no kyojin anime/ manga is based on a Japanease General from WW2 times and Koreans send death threats to the Manga author"
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2013-08-15, 21:06 | Link #30040 | |
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The irony is that these nationalists secretly enjoy the companies of each others. One can hardly exist without the others. |
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