Naruto The Movie: The Last (12/6/14) Spoilers, Leaks & Speculation

[dniv]

Neji was a genius, but he was a branch family member. Since his father was also dead, he literally had to create everything from scratch by himself. It's like with Itachi, except Itachi had a network of people helping him. Neji really was in comparison probably much more talented. Keeping that in mind, Neji did the extent of what he could have.

[deathberryinbloom]

I found a bolt time travel fic.

rated k - ongoing- chapters-2 (Time-travel fic) Ever since his father became Hokage, Boruto no longer receives the attention he once had. After a meeting with a mysterious man, Boruto is sent back in time only to find that everything is not like what he remembers it to be..https://m.fanfiction.net/s/10886931/...Boruto-Uzumaki

[Avalon64]

Originally Posted by dniv

Neji was a genius, but he was a branch family member. Since his father was also dead, he literally had to create everything from scratch by himself. It's like with Itachi, except Itachi had a network of people helping him. Neji really was in comparison probably much more talented. Keeping that in mind, Neji did the extent of what he could have.

That was what I was trying to say, the definition of Neiji's character was that despite being a branch member and the series implies Branch members go through some rather big disadvantages over Main Branch members he was still learning and executing Main Branch techniques which surprised Main Branch members, but he wasn't coming up with new techniques he was just taking the Main Branch ones and showing what he could do with them, the role of creating new techniques fell to Hinata who is the main branch character, and despite her limited role time came up with a few, but this is why I say is more the fault of her limited screen time than the limitations of the Hyuga's abilities, now that Neiji is gone and Hinata is the sole Byakugan character (for now since we have yet to establish her children's potential instead of saying they don't HAVE Byakugan) and she has children who we know is going to get SOMETHING passed down to them from her, we can finally have a chance to see the Hyuga's abilities moved into some limelight which I am excited for, this is why I don't want to tell myself or be convinced this is the extent of the Byakugan that there is something left to be shown

[Alena_92]

Originally Posted by Avalon64

That was what I was trying to say, the definition of Neiji's character was that despite being a branch member and the series implies Branch members go through some rather big disadvantages over Main Branch members he was still learning and executing Main Branch techniques which surprised Main Branch members, but he wasn't coming up with new techniques he was just taking the Main Branch ones and showing what he could do with them, the role of creating new techniques fell to Hinata who is the main branch character, and despite her limited role time came up with a few, but this is why I say is more the fault of her limited screen time than the limitations of the Hyuga's abilities, now that Neiji is gone and Hinata is the sole Byakugan character (for now since we have yet to establish her children's potential instead of saying they don't HAVE Byakugan) and she has children who we know is going to get SOMETHING passed down to them from her, we can finally have a chance to see the Hyuga's abilities moved into some limelight which I am excited for, this is why I don't want to tell myself or be convinced this is the extent of the Byakugan that there is something left to be shown

exactly..and don't forget the hyuga's are descendants of osutsuki hamura it only means that there are a lot to discover on their clan when it comes to power..We know that senju, uzumaki and Uchiha are from hagoromos lineage and we've seen their power..knowing that kaguya split her chakra on his 2 sons then we can't deny that hamura is at the same level with hagoromo it only means that we can expect it on hamura's lineage also which obviously comes from Hyuga clan..Hyuga power should not be limited with byakugan because they have lots to offer..and remember during allied shinobi fight vs biju 10 tails, what Hinata did with her gentle fist upon receiving huge chakra from Naruto..heck! her 1 gentle fist could match 5th or 6th open gate on Gi and Lee..Its just wrong to underestimate what the hyuga's could do.

[LevelSeven]

Spoiler for avalon:

Originally Posted by Avalon64

yeah pretty much how I expected you'd respond, I almost considered not replying to your last post because I had a feeling you weren't going to listen but I felt I had to say on the subject so I don't regret it,

good to hear

I don't know why you think you need to cover it all with a spoiler tag...

nah, i dont like it if the posts get to long, a spoiler tag hhelps me to make the website smaller

but after reading your reply I felt I was right to say agree to disagree, but I have a feeling you read my points and looked down on most of them so whatever

not in the slightest, sorry if it looked that way :/

all I gotta say is yes screen time is a HUGE factor,

for limiting them as to show their powers... not gaining them...

because while you're going on accepting that's all that there is think of it like this Neiji was a genius but he was VERY by the books and its implied despite his genius he has some limitations as a Branch member and Hinata was at least experimenting coming up with something new but in the end they were side characters,

yup, a genius.... which brought him to jounin lvl, someone with the help of the main family and byakugan (uzumaki pool)would reachh kage-lvl :/

and their abilities would NEVER get the spotlight that Naruto and Sasuke's got, but Hinata got the upgrade to MAIN character stats, her children share her blood and will be main characters it is reasonable to conclude we will see more Byakugan upgrades as a result

mostlikely that we will get byakugan action, the fact that nobody of the hyuuga ever reached hugh greatness speaks for itself :/

we are supposed to be fans of this series, and instead of telling us what a character can't do yes I am doing what you are shunning me for I am looking to the possibilities of what they CAN do,

the reason why im arguing with you is because you arent looking at the things they CAN do... im sorry, this is your opinion and im only posting my own opinion, and i dont want to sound rude, but you are aying that uzumaki+hyuuga would make something like... shinra tensei -_- this isnt really arguing about what they can do... since you can only speculate about the things we already saw...

i never said anything about the idea with fire release+juken, i actually like it
but to be honest, lighting release+juken sounds much more useful, it could maybe allow the byakugan user to take control of the nervous system of the shinobi he touched.... you see, this is about what they CAN do (sorry if i sound rude)

its a whole new chapter so let us dream, let us think of the possibilities,

the possibilitys have its limits, like, saying that hugh chakra pool+byskugan could become a super-powerful invincible combination.... while i think the pairing is above average at best :/

if you want to tell yourself what they can't do that's fine

not to the extend other people are saying :/

but I am saying this respectfully stop telling others and pushing your points of limitations like its absolute fact when we know nothing yet,

limitations are what we know until know, you cant simply throw it away and say it could be different, i would happily dream about "logical" stuff, which includes the stuff we saw, like... rasenshuriken can only be used sage mode without hurting the hand, we cant say that they will now, somehow include it into the hyuuga-fighting style, but i wouldnt mind this, at least a bit more detailed about how... like, includind a rasengan around their fists, at the first stage it would be a blunt weapon like a hammer, but after applying wing chakra they could turn it into a ball which shredders everything it touches.... combining it with fast movements of the hyuuga style it would gain a piercing power like the chidori and useful for people without sharingan... exspecially if it doesnt need handseals

everyone here wants to dream and while we can agree on certain facts, don't shoot down what people want to dream about, please

i only wanted to point out that some "dreams" doesnt make sense... i gave you two examples of how i would like to "dream" including narutos and hyuuga fighting style... isnt this how you wanted it

@alena

heck! her 1 gentle fist could match 5th or 6th open gate on Gi and Lee..Its just wrong to underestimate what the hyuga's could do.

if possible can you give me the chapter or the episode?

[Alena_92]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

Spoiler for avalon:

good to hear


nah, i dont like it if the posts get to long, a spoiler tag hhelps me to make the website smaller


not in the slightest, sorry if it looked that way :/


for limiting them as to show their powers... not gaining them...


yup, a genius.... which brought him to jounin lvl, someone with the help of the main family and byakugan (uzumaki pool)would reachh kage-lvl :/



mostlikely that we will get byakugan action, the fact that nobody of the hyuuga ever reached hugh greatness speaks for itself :/



the reason why im arguing with you is because you arent looking at the things they CAN do... im sorry, this is your opinion and im only posting my own opinion, and i dont want to sound rude, but you are aying that uzumaki+hyuuga would make something like... shinra tensei -_- this isnt really arguing about what they can do... since you can only speculate about the things we already saw...

i never said anything about the idea with fire release+juken, i actually like it
but to be honest, lighting release+juken sounds much more useful, it could maybe allow the byakugan user to take control of the nervous system of the shinobi he touched.... you see, this is about what they CAN do (sorry if i sound rude)



the possibilitys have its limits, like, saying that hugh chakra pool+byskugan could become a super-powerful invincible combination.... while i think the pairing is above average at best :/


not to the extend other people are saying :/


limitations are what we know until know, you cant simply throw it away and say it could be different, i would happily dream about "logical" stuff, which includes the stuff we saw, like... rasenshuriken can only be used sage mode without hurting the hand, we cant say that they will now, somehow include it into the hyuuga-fighting style, but i wouldnt mind this, at least a bit more detailed about how... like, includind a rasengan around their fists, at the first stage it would be a blunt weapon like a hammer, but after applying wing chakra they could turn it into a ball which shredders everything it touches.... combining it with fast movements of the hyuuga style it would gain a piercing power like the chidori and useful for people without sharingan... exspecially if it doesnt need handseals


i only wanted to point out that some "dreams" doesnt make sense... i gave you two examples of how i would like to "dream" including narutos and hyuuga fighting style... isnt this how you wanted it

@alena

if possible can you give me the chapter or the episode?

chapter 616 in the manga page 11..even madara acknowledged her power..

[newtype385]

"Hinata, please wait for me…The way that I am…this whole time… I always liked you…Me, as a man, there’s something that I absolutely, necessarily have to say to you!

“Hinata, I will definitely bring you back!”

Naruto shouted as his hand was trying to seize the artificial sun.” I just got to this part of the novel. Just had to post this part. I was like 'Naruto you go get your woman' after reading that part. I'm about 3/4th done with the novel.

[kampfer91]

Yep , he finally grew up from a boy to a man .

Toneri gonna pays dearly for hanging Hinata on the wall.....
@Alena : that is after she received Kurama chakra , her attack power went up , i doubt it can match Lee Gate technique in term of raw power .

Edit : In the latest interview , Kishimoto said that Neji had to die as a factor to let Hinata grew closer to Naruto , second , since Hinata is much more popular * in Japan* , he decided that Naruto is better with Hinata .
And of course came the Neji fan rage and Narusaku fan who want to stir up some troubles . Saying that Kishimoto is a sell out for betraying them and killing Neji .


Those guys just won't give up and try to analyze every single piece of the interview .

[dniv]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Yep , he finally grew up from a boy to a man .

Toneri gonna pays dearly for hanging Hinata on the wall.....
@Alena : that is after she received Kurama chakra , her attack power went up , i doubt it can match Lee Gate technique in term of raw power .

Edit : In the latest interview , Kishimoto said that Neji had to die as a factor to let Hinata grew closer to Naruto , second , since Hinata is much more popular * in Japan* , he decided that Naruto is better with Hinata .
And of course came the Neji fan rage and Narusaku fan who want to stir up some troubles . Saying that Kishimoto is a sell out for betraying them and killing Neji .


Those guys just won't give up and try to analyze every single piece of the interview .

Hmph, but I think that contradicts the earlier supposed claim that he always thought that Sakura was a red herring...

[kampfer91]

No , at 1st he wanted to make Hinata as the main heroine , but the editor wanted a rival for Naruto thus Sasuke was made and to complete the triangle , Sakura was made too , Hina was dumped down to side char and received less screen time .

But it was unexpect that Hinata popularity went up like rocket .

So yeah , Kishimoto seems to outdone himself on this one , but it's ok , i find this interesting .

[newtype385]

[Avalon64]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

Spoiler for avalon:

good to hear


nah, i dont like it if the posts get to long, a spoiler tag hhelps me to make the website smaller


not in the slightest, sorry if it looked that way :/


for limiting them as to show their powers... not gaining them...


yup, a genius.... which brought him to jounin lvl, someone with the help of the main family and byakugan (uzumaki pool)would reachh kage-lvl :/



mostlikely that we will get byakugan action, the fact that nobody of the hyuuga ever reached hugh greatness speaks for itself :/



the reason why im arguing with you is because you arent looking at the things they CAN do... im sorry, this is your opinion and im only posting my own opinion, and i dont want to sound rude, but you are aying that uzumaki+hyuuga would make something like... shinra tensei -_- this isnt really arguing about what they can do... since you can only speculate about the things we already saw...

i never said anything about the idea with fire release+juken, i actually like it
but to be honest, lighting release+juken sounds much more useful, it could maybe allow the byakugan user to take control of the nervous system of the shinobi he touched.... you see, this is about what they CAN do (sorry if i sound rude)



the possibilitys have its limits, like, saying that hugh chakra pool+byskugan could become a super-powerful invincible combination.... while i think the pairing is above average at best :/


not to the extend other people are saying :/


limitations are what we know until know, you cant simply throw it away and say it could be different, i would happily dream about "logical" stuff, which includes the stuff we saw, like... rasenshuriken can only be used sage mode without hurting the hand, we cant say that they will now, somehow include it into the hyuuga-fighting style, but i wouldnt mind this, at least a bit more detailed about how... like, includind a rasengan around their fists, at the first stage it would be a blunt weapon like a hammer, but after applying wing chakra they could turn it into a ball which shredders everything it touches.... combining it with fast movements of the hyuuga style it would gain a piercing power like the chidori and useful for people without sharingan... exspecially if it doesnt need handseals


i only wanted to point out that some "dreams" doesnt make sense... i gave you two examples of how i would like to "dream" including narutos and hyuuga fighting style... isnt this how you wanted it

Well I am glad there's no hostilities sorry if I thought there were, so no hard feelings? Anyway I already established my beliefs on the subject, but I want to discuss what I mean of the point of potential is that it could be not necessarily that they will get to that level in the actual story

for example in DBZ, almost EVERYONE spoke of Gohan's potential, that he had the potential to surpass Goku easily and to become the strongest character that didn't require any major booster to his power, then come the Buu saga and Gohan was given the mystic upgrade which the Old Kai established was not giving him new power but it was unlocking without constraints the power he ALREADY had, and he came in and made Super Buu look like a chump, someone Goku later needed to fuse with Vegeta to fight him, then Buu's revealed he could fuse and things went downhill...

I say I want to dream because I want to see things for what they can be, I am sorry if it doesn't make sense to you, obviously Bolt (whom I am guessing is going to be the main focus of the new kids but who knows maybe Himawari is the stronger one?) is going to start the series as a powerless kid but he's going to grow up and there's so much room for things for him when he does, of course by the end of the mini series run he won't reach God tiers but its fun imagining that he could especially with the established powers of Naruto and Hinata, and like any seed there will be branches for something new to grow...that's why I wish to not hear "this is the extent of what Byakugan can do end of story" because I don't want them to just rehash what Naruto revealed that's why I call it an UPGRADE because I am sure Bolt will discover new with his abilities and it excites me

As for Hinata, we rooted for the girl from day one, what was her greatest wish? To become STRONGER to be able to walk with Naruto's side, jsut because she's achieved that dream and is now Naruto's wife I don't want her to say okay now I can just sit down at the sidelines and let my husband run things, NO I want her to continue to grow and improve and show there really is more untapped potential in the Byakugan that we did not see before...

So yeah just because a dream doesn't make sense to some doesn't mean we shouldn't have them, words like limits are almost meant to be surpassed as Shounen animes prove...so just because I say potential it only means I want to see how far they can take their power and how far they can run with it

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Yep , he finally grew up from a boy to a man .

Toneri gonna pays dearly for hanging Hinata on the wall.....
@Alena : that is after she received Kurama chakra , her attack power went up , i doubt it can match Lee Gate technique in term of raw power .

Edit : In the latest interview , Kishimoto said that Neji had to die as a factor to let Hinata grew closer to Naruto , second , since Hinata is much more popular * in Japan* , he decided that Naruto is better with Hinata .
And of course came the Neji fan rage and Narusaku fan who want to stir up some troubles . Saying that Kishimoto is a sell out for betraying them and killing Neji .


Those guys just won't give up and try to analyze every single piece of the interview .

I have a feeling like I too grew from a boy to a man as well, heh was 15 when the series started and rooted for NAruHina...and now I'm 30...and I love the fact evey second that NaruHina happened

I still also think Neiji's death also had to come at the expense of Hinata's popularity, and when it was becoming clear one of them had to go...as sad as it is to say

Originally Posted by kampfer91

No , at 1st he wanted to make Hinata as the main heroine , but the editor wanted a rival for Naruto thus Sasuke was made and to complete the triangle , Sakura was made too , Hina was dumped down to side char and received less screen time .

But it was unexpect that Hinata popularity went up like rocket .

So yeah , Kishimoto seems to outdone himself on this one , but it's ok , i find this interesting .

It kinda shows in his writing of Sakura, it sometimes felt like he didn't know what to do with Sakura, he had some starting ideas when he gave her the chance to model her after Tsunade, showed a REALLY impressive showing against Sasori...and then she kinda drifted around with no real direction other then Sasuke...its really a shame, I really think the editor should have waited and held out a bit before establishing out of Hinata and Sakura who was the more desirable girl to the fans to be pushed as the main heroine (like maybe give each one a mini arc adventure and see where it goes) before saying no use Sakura...I think things would have turned out MUCH MUCH differently had Hinata been the main heroine, her popularity speaks volumes

Heh fillers to promote her character, new techniques made up in the filler which were accepted as canon, a badass love confession while facing the arc's villain, keeping her head in the game after a tragic loss and inspiring the hero who was ABOUT to give up, a BADASS tag team combo (heh one so cool even Madara called her Naruto's "Missus" (a term for a wife lol) and a movie where she remains loyal and faithful to Naruto AND shows off her love for her sister against all odds, and of course a kiss next to the moon and marriage later...Hianta's finally reached her Main character status at long last!"

Heh and its like I said its like coming back and finding out your original idea turned out to be WAY more popular then your actual main one

Of course I speak no ill will to Sakura, she just feel...so BASIC...as a character

[newtype385]

[Avalon64]

lol at the ^...

Hinata: aaahhh Captain, N-Naruto-kun...shouldn't you be flying the plane?

Naruto: not to worry Hinata-chan, I set it to auto pilot...now lets find plac we can you know be alone...

Hinata: um Naruto-kun...there IS no auto pilot on this plane...

Naruto: uh oh...

[The Green One]

^That's what Shadow Clones are for.

[Avalon64]

Originally Posted by The Green One

^That's what Shadow Clones are for.

yeah have the boring task of flying the plane while the main body gets to enjoy Hinata...yeah I don't think the clone is going to sit still before he wants a piece of the action lol

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by newtype385

Spoiler for pic:

I will go where my master want me to . (ಥ⌣ಥ)

Spoiler for pic:

[HayashiTakara]

NaruSaku fans are crying over Kishi's new interview, lol

[newtype385]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

NaruSaku fans are crying over Kishi's new interview, lol

There's a new interview? What does Kishimoto say in it?

[730flare]

Originally Posted by Avalon64

It kinda shows in his writing of Sakura, it sometimes felt like he didn't know what to do with Sakura, he had some starting ideas when he gave her the chance to model her after Tsunade, showed a REALLY impressive showing against Sasori...and then she kinda drifted around with no real direction other then Sasuke...its really a shame, I really think the editor should have waited and held out a bit before establishing out of Hinata and Sakura who was the more desirable girl to the fans to be pushed as the main heroine (like maybe give each one a mini arc adventure and see where it goes) before saying no use Sakura...I think things would have turned out MUCH MUCH differently had Hinata been the main heroine, her popularity speaks volumes

Heh fillers to promote her character, new techniques made up in the filler which were accepted as canon, a badass love confession while facing the arc's villain, keeping her head in the game after a tragic loss and inspiring the hero who was ABOUT to give up, a BADASS tag team combo (heh one so cool even Madara called her Naruto's "Missus" (a term for a wife lol) and a movie where she remains loyal and faithful to Naruto AND shows off her love for her sister against all odds, and of course a kiss next to the moon and marriage later...Hianta's finally reached her Main character status at long last!"

Heh and its like I said its like coming back and finding out your original idea turned out to be WAY more popular then your actual main one

Of course I speak no ill will to Sakura, she just feel...so BASIC...as a character

Wait, what filler techniques of Hinata's were considered canon?

Yeah it kinda speaks volumes that Kishimoto seems to care more for Hinata than Sakura. The fact that some of the filler NaruHina moments and developments get integrated to canon in some way shows that he might have considered doing stuff like that in the manga but had no time/space to do.