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Then it's much easier to think she jumped on a request to create an extra servant from Natsuhi and gives to this creation the personality of Kanon that she decided all of sudden to give him a body when she doesn't bother to do the same with her other fantasy creations. Quote:
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Though to be honest the next family head is supposed Krauss, who, of course is supposed to pass the title to Jessica since she's his only daughter. Natsuhi said more than once how Jessica is going to be the successor of the head... although she won't inherit from Kinzo but from Krauss. The only thing that caused doubts about how Krauss might lose his privilege of being the heir was the apparition of the epitaph, though it is regarded as an assumption, and when Erika suggests it openly Jessica got quite a bit offended as her father has always been regarded as the heir. Because he did his best to leave it in a catbox, and even Will pointed it out how Lion/Yasu's sex was left in the dark so he had to ask Lion who refused to answer. Quote:
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2012-09-26, 19:24 | Link #30764 | ||
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2012-09-26, 19:48 | Link #30765 | |
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As for the sweets not equaling letting kids play with guns, not necessarily. This is the late 80's, kids were probably still being given pellet guns for Christmas to play with, and if you don't come from an area with strict guns laws or a war-time attitude, or even if you come from a rural area, showing a young boy how to use a gun is sort of a right of passage. It is a bit of a male bonding thing in some places. Maybe Kinzo, like Genji, sometimes thought the servants (or at least Kanon) should also have the opportunity to act like kids. |
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2012-09-27, 00:22 | Link #30766 | ||
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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if we got some extra chapter detailing how there really was a slender, reticent servant boy named Kanon who started working on the island in 1983, regarded Yasu as a sister, and then ... fell off a cliff and died when walking around with her one day, so she was just all "Well I've already got THIS many persona's going on, I guess there's room for one more. Thank goodness Jessica was always busy on his work days, I think she was starting to harbor a crush." Quote:
Well, yes, there's always been that throwaway line in her TIPS. But honestly, the language of both things you posted rather imply that Jessica WILL be in charge of the family, just not with the absolute formality that Krauss would have been. They're raising Jessica and pushing her to be capable of handling that, one day, and no mention is ever made of them thinking of politicizing the matter of her marriage... well, that's just the feeling I got from it, anyways. "Technically, Jessica's husband will be the family head, but, ehhhhhhhhh, c'mon." |
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As I see it, it means that Krauss will inherit the leadership then he'll pass it to Jessica but Jessica, being assumed to act as a proper traditional Japanese woman will let her husband do the job. Of course if Jessica isn't married yet when Krauss passes the leadership to her, she'll be the head, it's not like Krauss will pass it to George because she's a girl.
How much of a head Jessica's husband will be is up to debate as in the Ushiromiya the ones that really matter are the Ushiromiya by blood in fact Hideyoshi is less important than Eva even if he's her husband so I've no idea which place will Jessica have in the Ushiromiya family. Quote:
It can be related with whatever injury Yasu reported and the fact Ryukishi wanted to obscure its depiction. Quote:
That's why it's easier if Kanon got a body due to Natsuhi's request, as Yasu is already her accomplice in hiding Kinzo's death and Natsuhi might have thought having an extra servant that would testify that Kinzo was fine and well would be okay while Yasu turned it around and used it as a way to give Kanon a body. A 'Natsuhi is in' theory simply makes things way easier, while at the same time it doesn't require Natsuhi to be an accomplice in the whole of Yasu's plan. There's to say though this would require her to be an accomplice in Ep 1 & 3 otherwise she would have noticed something odd. So it's possible that Yasu managed to trick her... but this damages the logic of the story and the characterization of Natsuhi. All in all I think that if the solution is that Natsuhi never noticed or if Yasu managed to pull this trick for two years it's a forced solution. Quote:
Actually it wasn't that the family was killed by a bomb, they were all searching for Kuwadorian before the storm started, ended up where Beato 2 fell and, in order to give a better look to the place, they all slipped down and died apart from Eva who didn't stop sightseeing and Battler who found another way. Oh, that's for sure. Yasu's really terrible at taking decisions. |
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2012-09-27, 16:47 | Link #30768 | |
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I can see Kinzo making exception for Lion, but for Jessica... |
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2012-09-27, 17:14 | Link #30769 | |
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He might change his mind were he to have a son, though, but it's highly unlikely he'll hand the title to George or Battler when his moment to resign the title will come. Once Kinzo isn't anymore the head but Krauss, Krauss is free to hand the headship to whoever he wants, same as Kinzo who could skip Krauss and hands it to Lion. |
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2012-09-30, 07:08 | Link #30770 |
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Hm, I was reading through some older parts of this topic, and came across this old theory...I was actually surprised how similar it is to how I view Yasu's motive. Of course, some parts are obviously outdated at this point, but I think that the main idea that Yasu believes all three of her loves will be able to bear fruit in the Golden Land is probably the central goal of the ceremony.
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2012-09-30, 08:22 | Link #30771 |
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Yeah but what reasons do we have to think Yasu actually believes in magic? She very consistently relies on human means to make things happen.
The only counter-examples I can think of are the butterfly broach, and Chick-Beato's golden truth. But does she really believe that she can revive the dead purely off of faith? For someone who understands the "trick" side of "magic" as well as Yasu does, I have difficulty accepting that. |
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Somewhat unrelated, but here's my two cents on how Yasu can create vessels like that brooch. I've read a good share of New Age books when I was younger. Some of them talked about attaching an idea to a physical object to make it feel like that object had some power over that idea in the real world. In the context of the butterfly brooch, Yasu would have attached the idea of "confidence in love" to it (which would have been symbolized by the spell Beato put on it), which could have allowed her to feel more confident around George and allowed her to act more confident as well. Almost like a lucky rabbit's foot or something like that. In this way Yasu could believe in "magic" (although that's more psychology than magic) while still having a good control over how she perceives reality (most people I know that have good-luck charms are far from "totally off the deep end").
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Yes, absolutely. And didn't she "graduate" from it later, anyway? |
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2012-09-30, 15:15 | Link #30774 | |
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2012-09-30, 17:11 | Link #30775 | |
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It was confirmed real in EP2. And it's somewhat hard to swallow that it might have been faked in EP1/3/4, especially in light of Our Confessions... |
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2012-09-30, 17:39 | Link #30776 |
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Except those are also fictional stories with Shkanonigans (which is a word I demand we all start using).
The implication of Our Confessions is that the First Twilight is faked and then the 'victims' are really murdered later after they're in position, which happens in episodes 5, 6, and Our Confession. Confirming the real deaths in EP2 and so forth doesn't mean anything.
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2012-09-30, 18:59 | Link #30778 |
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Wasn't the First Twilight of Our Confessions essentially "I called them into the study, and shot them in the face." ..?
Even the later Twilights in there are like "I told them they would just be pretensing. I LIED." Also, "Shkanonigans", I love it, it's going right on the shelf next to Love, or whatever™ |
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All we actually have are the various narratives, which are unreliable except for when Battler is present in EPs 1-4, and a request from Beato to agree to certain assumptions in order to play "the game" with her (a.k.a red truth). But when you're not looking at it as a game the reds become meaningless. |
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2012-10-01, 15:24 | Link #30780 |
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Here I come with a new update for the manga EP 8... who might or might not explain some tricks.
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And now I'm going to reread George and Jessica's quiz because it might mean more than I originally thought... |
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