Tsuki ga Michibiku Isekai Douchuu (月が導く異世界道中) [WN]

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Flower

Here is a link to how the tags work in general (which you probably already know) to give a beginning/starting point: https://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php...ded_tag_search

Regardless, think of the tags as a way for someone who is looking for a certain type of story to find similar stories. They are meant to be very general, like how manga or anime are very generally categorized as "shounen" or "romance" or the like.

Ah thanks I'll look into it, I always figured the tags were more for getting a rough idea on the general consensus of a story, like someone who can like "op mc", "dense mc" or "power fantasy" stories can just read the tags and decide whether to pick it up or not. Anyway I'll stop derailing the thread, thanks for the info.

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

But they're willing when he influences them. To them they're falling in love with him and they consent. It's not like he bashes them in the head, ties them up and forces himself on them. He doesn't overwrite their thoughts he influences their feelings to line up with what he wants kind of like he convinces them without words, at least that's what I got from the vague explanation of his powers just like Hibiki she has a similar power but it influences their feelings. After prolonged use they become mindless puppets but up until then they're pretty much just in love with him.

Are you really bringing this topic up again when you mentioned it several pages ago and a number of people answered you then? His power basically works like a drug and Tomoki always uses that charm always. He does overwrite their feelings of putting Tomoki's wishes first in their mind, and they have no way to resist this charm.

Do you honestly think Tomoki doesn't rape women or know about sex? It's pretty clear from the context and Makoto's interaction with him. He even offered Makoto a number of sex slaves for Tomoe, to our MC's disgust.

Let me give you a hypothetical scenario. Say a girl likes a boy and the boy knows it, but he gives her a date rape drug to "speed" up the process. That's still rape. By your logic addictive drugs are nothing compared to physical abuse. Unlike male celebs in this world if they rape or exploit their victim and could be criminalized in court, Tomoki takes away their free will altogether after charming them. The victims sense of values is changed by putting Tomoki's wishes at the top of the personal values by the charm.

The main difference with Hibiki is that she is more responsible despite her prejudices. She's not abusing her power to the extent that Tomoki is and making charmed slaves en mass. She's also actually trying to benefit her surroundings but its only hyumans of Lima right now, Tomoki is only doing things for his benefit.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Hiro Hayase

Are you really bringing this topic up again when you mentioned it several pages ago and a number of people answered you then? His power basically works like a drug and Tomoki always uses that charm always. He does overwrite their feelings of putting Tomoki's wishes first in their mind, and they have no way to resist this charm.

Do you honestly think Tomoki doesn't rape women or know about sex? It's pretty clear from the context and Makoto's interaction with him. He even offered Makoto a number of sex slaves for Tomoe, to our MC's disgust.

Let me give you a hypothetical scenario. Say a girl likes a boy and the boy knows it, but he gives her a date rape drug to "speed" up the process. That's still rape. By your logic addictive drugs are nothing compared to physical abuse. Unlike male celebs in this world if they rape or exploit their victim and could be criminalized in court, Tomoki takes away their free will altogether after charming them. The victims sense of values is changed by putting Tomoki's wishes at the top of the personal values by the charm.

The main difference with Hibiki is that she is more responsible despite her prejudices. She's not abusing her power to the extent that Tomoki is and making charmed slaves en mass. She's also actually trying to benefit her surroundings but its only hyumans of Lima right now, Tomoki is only doing things for his benefit.

I'm not talking about how he gets them, it's disgusting, I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is the act itself, they're willing and fully cognoscente of what's going on, they're not out cold or tied up or fighting back he uses his charm to make them want to sleep with him. From the interactions we've seen of some of the girls who are with him that haven't been overdosed by his power they seem to basically be in love with him. He makes them want to sleep with him, at least in the beginning whether they become more resistant to the charm later is what I'm curious about. Also personally I don't blame the guy for making a slave army, in his twisted logic it's for the greater good, that beating Sophia gave him lit a fire under him to get stronger faster his methods are a pretty cruel though, if I was Makoto I'd permanently incapacitate him.

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I'm not talking about how he gets them, it's disgusting, I'm not disputing that. What I'm saying is the act itself, they're willing and fully cognoscente of what's going on, they're not out cold or tied up or fighting back he uses his charm to make them want to sleep with him. From the interactions we've seen of some of the girls who are with him that haven't been overdosed by his power they seem to basically be in love with him.

Name them? All of them have been charmed, except Lily and some higher ranking nobles of Gritonia. Tomoki is the type of person that will always use that charm because he is insecure. It's not for the greater good, its for his personal use and desires. They do not become resistant to the charm over time, once they are caught in it they are gone. It works like a drug, they want more and more. Although, Makoto and co. are looking for a cure after investigating his charm usage in Lorel Union in a future arc.

The charm power is given by the BUG and Tomoki's mana pool is larger than the demon lords. How can an average hyuman typically resist such power from an OP "Hero"? Even the hyuman girl with Grount's blessing failed to resist. Look at how Sophia was charmed at that first meeting when she had non-existent feelings toward him. There is not any genuine love there, only victims of charm.

The only example of people being able to resist it are Hibiki, Chiyo, Lily, and people related to Makoto so far.

I honestly don't know if you are trolling or actually serious about this topic at this point.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Hiro Hayase

Name them? All of them have been charmed, except Lily and some higher ranking nobles of Gritonia. Tomoki is the type of person that will always use that charm because he is insecure. It's not for the greater good, its for his personal use and desires.

The charm power is given by the BUG and Tomoki's mana pool is larger than the demon lords. How can an average hyuman typically resist such power from an OP "Hero"? Even the hyuman girl with Grount's blessing failed to resist. Look at how Sophia was charmed at that first meeting.

The only example of people being able to resist it are Hibiki, Chiyo, Lily, and people related to Makoto so far.

I honestly don't know if you are trolling or actually serious about this topic at this point.

I can't remember the chapter but Tomoki was having lunch with some of his party and a few of them were charmed and seemed to just be in love with him, Lily was there and I can't remember but Tomoki commented that he wanted to charm the dragon girl but wouldn't because the dragon would get jealous. Honestly a little of both I can see his reasoning to charm all those girls to improve his battle power since I'm more of a "greater good" kind of person and don't like Hyumans in general since they've been shown to be entitled assholes more often than not. The entire hate for Tomoki while understandable is a little overreacting since he's only using the tools he was given so I don't blame him since he's not strong enough at all so he's using the most efficienct method. It's mostly devils advocate from my part.

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I can't remember the chapter but Tomoki was having lunch with some of his party and a few of them were charmed and seemed to just be in love with him, Lily was there and I can't remember but Tomoki commented that he wanted to charm the dragon girl but wouldn't because the dragon would get jealous. Honestly a little of both I can see his reasoning to charm all those girls to improve his battle power since I'm more of a "greater good" kind of person and don't like Hyumans in general since they've been shown to be entitled assholes more often than not. The entire hate for Tomoki while understandable is a little overreacting since he's only using the tools he was given so I don't blame him since he's not strong enough at all so he's using the most efficienct method. It's mostly devils advocate from my part.

Love and charmed do not belong together here. There is no need to use charm if there was any actual love. If there was no love, then charm probably was used. If you can't find the chapter, then there is no source to back any of those claims you are making.

It's not over-exaggerated, all the hate for Tomoki is within bounds. He is doing things completely unacceptable by any human and without remorse.

It's arguable whether its efficient or not. Looking at the war long term, its highly inefficient. Imagine a population enslaved by charm, there is zero progress and the functions of a country are at a standstill. Unlike Hibiki who is promoting self-determination and ironically away from the BUG, Tomoki is likely replacing the BUG as an idol. Lily's endgame is destroying the demons and Gritonia, so in a sense its a success.

P.S. Aqua's pov chapter is out!

[J4n1]

There are two things about LN community that really disturb me at times.
The obsession with little girls (or women who look like little girls), and how ok people are with rape, as long as it is done through brain washing.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by J4n1

There are two things about LN community that really disturb me at times.
The obsession with little girls (or women who look like little girls), and how ok people are with rape, as long as it is done through brain washing.

See I don't see it as full blown rape though, to me intimidating, forcing or drugging an unwilling participant is rape. Changing her mind, influencing or "charming" them through magic making them WANT to have sex isn't. You can't rape the willing. If you really think about it there are some stories where the MC has a power or PLOT device where girls just swoon for the MC for unrealistic reasons, what Tomoki does to them afterward is deplorable but the sex itself, is a gray area, treading a fine line.

Also I've never been a fan of loli's, incest, NTR or "one true love" tropes, I grew up in a household of women my step-grandpa, step-dad and me were outnumbered 3 to 1 so I don't hold much fascination with women in general since to quote my jiji "handing a cup of water to a drowning man is an act of contempt"(it loses something in translation). I like these kinds of stories because of the high fantasy world building adventure feel, when a story becomes nothing but harem collection or "what overused female archetype can we shoehorn in now" I usually drop it. What bother me about SOME fans, not here mind you everyone is pretty chill, mostly on tumblr or deviant art is the butchering of honorifics, terms or general "pocho" use of japanese to english. Like I got literally harassed for 2 months from some deviant art group because I commented off-handedly that Japanese girls(in general) aren't as prudish as anime makes them out to be, it was a headache cleaning out my inbox.

[J4n1]

The women Tomoki has sex (apart from Lily and maybe some other noble ladies working with Lily) are unable to give consent, they have no choice to say no.
Any sex Tomoki has with them is rape because they do not get a choice in the matter.
Whether or not it is because of drugs, alcohol, beating them unconscious, magical brainwashing or holding a gun to their head, removing choice from the other party makes it rape.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by J4n1

The women Tomoki has sex (apart from Lily and maybe some other noble ladies working with Lily) are unable to give consent, they have no choice to say no.
Any sex Tomoki has with them is rape because they do not get a choice in the matter.
Whether or not it is because of drugs, alcohol, beating them unconscious, magical brainwashing or holding a gun to their head, removing choice from the other party makes it rape.

Wait clear something up, what is the power exactly I'm under the impression that his "charm" influences them to do or want whatever he sais by "charming" them with his eyes. Like if I asked some girl "hey wanna have sex?" and use my charm ability they'd go from thinking "wtf did he just say?" to "sure I'm down to bump some uglies". Some of the women that Tomoki has around him and his party members seem to be alright and not trembling mind broken messes, other than the ones he overdosed.

[Riz]

why doncha just simple sayin dat trash charm is hypnosis. End.

[Show1983]

Some people ok with drugs use, most don't
Some people prefer NTR, most don't
Some people makes light of rape, most don't

So let's just agree to disagree

[J4n1]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Wait clear something up, what is the power exactly I'm under the impression that his "charm" influences them to do or want whatever he sais by "charming" them with his eyes. Like if I asked some girl "hey wanna have sex?" and use my charm ability they'd go from thinking "wtf did he just say?" to "sure I'm down to bump some uglies". Some of the women that Tomoki has around him and his party members seem to be alright and not trembling mind broken messes, other than the ones he overdosed.

They have their ability to say no removed.
How subtle the power is makes no difference.

[Ruki0089]

If I recall correctly... Makoto know how to remove the charm..... By smashing them to the wall...
What a method!!

[janekge]

Noooooooooo!!!! What happened to otaku dragon!?

[Flower]

Originally Posted by janekge

Noooooooooo!!!! What happened to otaku dragon!?

A little more details on what I mentioned earlier....

What I think the mods are looking for in the tags as part of the site's search engine is not primarily a description of the specific contents of a work first, but rather general ones. Simple things like "shoujo" or "mecha" or "horror" or "seinen".

Then after those are in place can come more specific/detailed tags, so long as they are applied judiciously and aren't people using tags to troll or be funny or provide subjective opinions/value judgements. Also, it might be better to avoid slang like "op mc" and say "super-powered protagonist" or something that's more clear.

Unfortunately there is a problem of relying unreservedly on existing tags too ... for example, what if you were drawing up a general standard of whether or not tags should be included BEFORE I went in and deleted existing tags? Rest assured that there are likely plenty of threads (mostly in the web novel section, unfortunately) that have all sorts of unnecessary tags like those I have deleted.

In other words, what we are hoping the tags to be is a tool to guide people to similar series they are interested in via the search function. We want people to enter a mindset that is geared to helping others primarily first, but letting them decide ultimately, if that makes sense.

[Gerard07]

Consultation , how many chapters are there for Makoto to go to Limia?

[m4rc0s]

Originally Posted by Gerard07

Consultation , how many chapters are there for Makoto to go to Limia?

limia start at early 200, so a little less than 20!.
after demon capital arc>> school mini arc/Asora new residents>>limia Arc

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by m4rc0s

limia start at early 200, so a little less than 20!.
after demon capital arc>> school mini arc/Asora new residents>>limia Arc

They're getting even more residents? That's awesome what races and how many, also what's the current number of resident, wasn't it a little under 400?

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Wait clear something up, what is the power exactly I'm under the impression that his "charm" influences them to do or want whatever he sais by "charming" them with his eyes. Like if I asked some girl "hey wanna have sex?" and use my charm ability they'd go from thinking "wtf did he just say?" to "sure I'm down to bump some uglies". Some of the women that Tomoki has around him and his party members seem to be alright and not trembling mind broken messes, other than the ones he overdosed.

To be blunt, its a type of permanent hypnotic state where they are brainwashed to thinking of Tomoki as a cult god. Everything he says, they will do with happiness. If he tells them to die for his sake or kill each other for fun or become the plaything of another man, then they will do it.

It's true that they are not mind broken visually, but this does not make the situation any better or any less dire. You cannot see the charmed state visually, but its possible to see the saturation of the charmed stated from using magic like Makoto did.

They are basically slaves with their free will overwritten by Tomoki's charm (the free will is at the mercy of Tomoki's whims). At this point Tomoki does not deserve any pity since he had two chances to turn his life around, but blew them spectacularly. The charmed girls deserve that pity instead.