2010-07-16, 07:42 | Link #3081 |
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I think there is a flashback told by Shannon in which she said she were in middle school. Anyway i don't think they live on the island. After all the other "-on" servants are not there in october 4-5. It is possible they still live in fukuin house, and they probably attended school there, while in their "free time" they work as servants in the Ushiromiya's mansion.
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2010-07-16, 07:49 | Link #3082 |
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Which brings up a question.
Where the hell is the fukuin orphanage? It was never said it's on Niijima. Oh anyway... if I interpreted correctly what has been said about the fukuin children, they don't become servants if not after they complete theirs studies. Actually it's been said that only the bests of them are given the "honor" of becoming "-non" servants. Shannon is clearly a special case. She had no way to prove she was one of the bests at 6 years. She had no way to know how to be a perfect servant... unless she was some kind of genius.
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2010-07-16, 07:53 | Link #3084 | |
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Also, the narration rather explicitly says that "graduates" of Fukuin house are hired. High school in Japan (that is, past 16) is not compulsory, by the way... One would assume that after graduation, no kind of orphanage would have anything to do with you.
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2010-07-16, 07:59 | Link #3085 | |
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Instead, what is the significance of her staying on the island from when she was six? I bet she was involved in some kind of "experiment" from Kinzo, this would give significance to the TIP that says she and Kanon are furniture he created. @Jan-poo I think the fact that they become servant after their studies means that they become free to leave Fukuin/Rokkenjima/Nijima and go work as servants in other families. The work in the Ushiromiya's mansion is probably a part of their "studies" granted to the best of them. It is actually said that after working on Rokkenjima there would be no problem in finding work elsewhere. |
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2010-07-16, 08:02 | Link #3086 | |
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2010-07-16, 08:27 | Link #3089 | |
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2010-07-16, 08:46 | Link #3090 | |
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Also we know that Rosa isn't exactly the best mom ever, actually in every episode she totally forgot about her when she's searching for her rose. Regarding the way to reach Kuwadorian, Nanjo speak of an underground passage that would take half and hour of walking to get there. Well that probably is a fake scene, so we have no way to know if this is true or not. I don't understand your third point. What's the problem if she just stays in Fukuin? |
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2010-07-16, 08:52 | Link #3091 |
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Is it not more plausible that, Shannon being the odd duck out of the Fukuin Servants in terms of when and how she begins working, that Shannon is not a Fukuin House orphan?
Also: Jessica mentions when talking about the storm that she occasionally has to stay over in Nijima when the weather is too bad to get back home. This makes me think Kinzo or Krauss owns some land in Nijima, and probably some apartments. Jessica probably has her own or borrows the "family" one, but I see no reason some of the servants couldn't have apartments there for off-duty days. If they don't work for the majority of the week (if Shannon has four days off per week, one assumes most of them have short rotations other than perhaps Genji and Gohda), they have to be somewhere, and most of them aren't on Rokkenjima during the Family Conference. So they gotta be someplace else. But since we never see anyone but Genji (who probably lives on the island), Kanon, and Shannon (both of whom are quite suspect for various reasons), there's no real way to know what the -on servants actually do with their time.
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When I say "pull at the thread" I don't mean I am trying to disprove what you're saying or argue against it. I mean that I want to know what are the conclusions if what you're saying is true and what I am saying is also true.
Sure, that's called speculation, but sometimes we can find extra stepping stone hints to support the conclusions themselves even if we would not be able to arrive at these conclusions from those hints otherwise. Quote:
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Battler: "Huh... So, by the way, what do you do when the weather's good in the morning, but then gets so bad on your way home that the boats are closed? Do you spend the night at school?" Jessica: "That actually happens a lot. Because of that, they've built some lodgings there for people who can't get back to the island. I stay over there. Sometimes, when it gets really bad, I can't get back home for a few days at a time." (Original line is: ;「そういうのはよくあることだぜ。だから帰島できない人用の宿泊所があってよ。そこに寝泊りするんだよ。 下手すりゃ数日間、家に帰れないこともあったりするぜ。」)
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2010-07-16, 09:11 | Link #3094 | |
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@Renall
It is actually specified where Jessica stays when she's unable to go back home Quote:
P.S. Ninjaed by Oliver.
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2010-07-16, 09:19 | Link #3095 |
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Who goes to that school who would need to stay there other than her? Does she go to school in Nijima or mainland Tokyo? If it's Nijima, are people boating out to Nijima? Are there other eccentric rich families with their own private islands around? Did Krauss bribe the school? Do they make Jessica sleep in the janitor's closet and call it "lodgings?"
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2010-07-16, 09:29 | Link #3097 | |
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George: "She has to follow the rules for people that travel to school by boat and get a good amount of studying done." (emphasis mine) If there are rules for people like this, there are definitely quite a few of them. There are more small islands in Izu, and not every of them would have a high school, for many of them boating would be reasonably practical, or at least cheaper than sending the kids off to a live-in high school elsewhere. It is not necessary to be an eccentric rich family to boat to school if your line of work involves owning a boat in the first place, for example. It is also likely that there's a school bus-like arrangement, though it's obviously beneath the Ushiromiya to participate in it. Krauss wouldn't have to bribe the school if Natsuhi is the head of PTA, which she supposedly is.
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2010-07-16, 09:43 | Link #3099 |
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Like Jan-poo said there at least two servant waiting rooms. And we know there are beds in them from Kumasawa and Nanjo's murder/disappearances in episode 2. I don't think it's really strange for it to be assumed they have living arrangements at the mansion.
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