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Cap & Trade was passed by House of reps yesterday.
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Fast Barry also lied about Cap and Trade. He claimed it would only cost the average household $170 per year, the price of a stamp. But last year on the campaign trail, Fast Barry said it would much higher and that he would force people to conserve energy.
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Go Arizona! http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15523
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2009-06-28, 08:46 | Link #3108 | |
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If it did cover anything else, it'd be unconstitutional. Section 8 of the constitution grants the power to regulate commerce to the federal government. Surely something like this would be covered under that. So it still wouldn't be about state rights, and be about idiot neo-cons who can't accept that they lost. In other news: Troops arrest Honduran president "Honduran President Manuel Zelaya has been arrested by troops ahead of a controversial referendum on plans to change the constitution. Mr Zelaya's secretary said the president had been taken to an airbase outside the capital, Tegucigalpa. The move comes days after the president sacked the armed forces chief, who had refused to back the referendum plan. Mr Zelaya, elected for a non-renewable four-year term in January 2006, wants a vote to enable him to seek a new term." It seems the President of Honduras has been ousted for trying to overstay his time in office. Though that article doesn't seem very clear if it's a coup or if he was arrested on orders from their congress. Coup seems more likely though.
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2009-06-28, 10:16 | Link #3110 |
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Perhaps, but the point is, it's an act to repeal an existing piece of state legislation that effects emmissions from cars more than anything else. Even if you don't believe in global warming though, car emmissions do add to smog and lower air quality so it's still a good idea to regulate.
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2009-06-28, 11:20 | Link #3111 | |
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The amount of bias favoring the military coup the Spanish CNN and the Honduran media in general are showing is sickening. I do not know the details of Zelaya's presidency, but a military coup is never the way to solve the problems. The fact that the whole of the Honduran media is against him is more than enough to be suspicious of these events.
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2009-06-28, 12:15 | Link #3116 | |
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despite that statement above I agree that it is a coup and he should have been ousted through legal channels but If you have been following the details closely you could see that Zelaya was out to illegally modify the Honduran constitution for his own political gain against the will of the vast majority of the Honduran governmental entities under the obvious influence of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez.To add fuel to the fire here fired the chief of the armed force for not following his lead after the Honduran Supreme Court had concluded that Zelaya's planed referendum vote to modify the Honduran constitution is illegal thus leaving the military chief with option other then to follow the rule ordered by the Supreme Court. Any way you look at it Zeyala's presidency is toast. He will probably go back to Honduras maybe even recognized as the current president but I seriously doubt that the rest of the Honduran governing bodies will wast any time to impeach him through legal means. Last edited by technowood; 2009-06-28 at 12:28. |
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Not to say that I side with Chavez or Zelaya (I don't know much about Zelaya though), but really, things are somewhat more complex in these events than a simple conflict of ideals. Usually it has to do with a lot of vested interests. Especially if the media is going as far as not calling it a coup d'etat, naming it a "suspension of presidency" instead, and making a very clear distinction between the two terms. Which is completely ridiculous since this is, and will always be, a coup d'etat. And it's wrong however you look at it. Just seeing the military on the streets sends shivers down my skin, reminding me of times long past in this continent.
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Your argument is that there is more then meets the eye because the media is mislabeling the turn of events in an obviously biased manner. that only proves the biased media is biased.
So the media down there is siding against the pinkos or what ever? sure they are and they may have other motives but It is only to be expected of the Honduran culture since Hondurans by and large have historically been staunchly anti socialist. Of course thing aren't as simple as a clash of Ideals, there are other factors involved but I can assure you it is the single most driving force motivating the majority of Honduran individuals, government bodies, businesses and what ever else fits in between who are resisting Zelaya. Anyway the way I see it if ideology and status quo were to be reworked onto the fabric of Honduran society it would only happen through bloodshed. This turn of events could have been a lot worst. |
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It's not that I'm saying "there's more than meets the eye" because I believe Zelaya to be a good guy or something (he looks like a neo-feudalist sort of son of a bitch, so I don't think I'd like him)--it's that there's always more than meets the eye in these sorts of situations. The media have vested interests, or else they wouldn't be so staunchly against him. Quote:
It's always about power, money and conflicts of interests. It's always been that way, since the beginning of time. Ideology as it's preached by those who make use of it to garner more power is nothing but a farce. Look at Chavez and you'll see how he abuses the socialist/communist dogma to rally people into believing he's doing something good for them, when he's actually a capitalist gone megalomaniacal. Everyone's a capitalist nowadays, so what I say stands even more true in the face of facts.
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