The Avengers: Age of Ultron

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Strongly disagree. This isn't a Bruce subplot, it is for both of them.

All of the emotional work of Widows sub-plot story was centered around Bruce. All of the emotional work of Bruce's story was centered on himself. It is not an equal relationship sub-plot. They did things independently that advanced the main plot, but when they had their alone time, it was all really centered on Bruce or it became centered on Bruce (ala Widow's great dream sequence).

[Kyero Fox]

Just to be clear James, I had Anita and her cult in mind when I saidSOMEONE. Didn't even see your comment above he he.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by james0246

All of the emotional work of Widows sub-plot story was centered around Bruce. All of the emotional work of Bruce's story was centered on himself. It is not an equal relationship sub-plot. They did things independently that advanced the main plot, but when they had their alone time, it was all really centered on Bruce or it became centered on Bruce (ala Widow's great dream sequence).

I don't understand why you can conclude the above? I means if you replace Bruce or Widows by another character (let say Thor for Bruce or Scarlet Witch for Black Widow, or even unnamed Male/ Female charcter) that sub-plot simply will not work

[Anh_Minh]

Ultron was a lot goofier than I expected. Not sure how I feel how about that.

Or about the Banner/Widow romance. (Whatever happened to Betty Ross anyway?)

I can't say I liked it as much as the first one. Maybe I'm just getting old.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Ultron was a lot goofier than I expected. Not sure how I feel how about that.

Y'know i thought they did something very interesting with ultron. Typically when we think of artificial intelligence we think of a computer that is capable of learning and that the computer would stick to cold hard logic, but why would a computer that's given artifical intelligence necessarily stick to hard logic? A computer thinks logically because its programed to think logically and can't do anything its not programed to do. If however a computer became truly intelligent and was not bound by any programing then then what prevents the AI from thinking illogically. Why couldn't its learning lead to it being more emotional? Why would it not develop a sense of humor, or being frustrated and impatient? Heck intelligence can often bring up contraditions; when you have such flexibile thinking it can be impossible to find one single logical way things should be. A computer does exactly what its programed to do and that's why it does what's logical; but if something is truly intelligent, couldn't that intelligence in turn create the kind of flaws that would allow it to act illogical?

Vision in contrast might be the balance we would want from AI. Vision is basically an artificial intelligence but he still has certain boundaries in place as a computer. His intelligence can still lead to him acting illogical at times, but that computer half helps keep him in check creating what are essentially his version of moral boundaries that he can not so easily bypass... except in when he truly believes there is no other choice; This is seen in his decision to destory ultron. HIs programing (moral code) tells him that it is wrong to kill and he recongizes Ultron as a form of life, but his intelligence tells him that he must make an exception for Ultron because he is too dangerous.

And when it comes down to it, that goofer side to Ultron just made him as entertaining as he was threatening. Who doesn't love a villian with quirks or his own quips

[Xellos-_^]

like the movie overall but thought the banner/blackwidow thing was too obvious as a addon to attract female audiences.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Y'know i thought they did something very interesting with ultron. Typically when we think of artificial intelligence we think of a computer that is capable of learning and that the computer would stick to cold hard logic, but why would a computer that's given artifical intelligence necessarily stick to hard logic? A computer thinks logically because its programed to think logically and can't do anything its not programed to do. If however a computer became truly intelligent and was not bound by any programing then then what prevents the AI from thinking illogically. Why couldn't its learning lead to it being more emotional? Why would it not develop a sense of humor, or being frustrated and impatient? Heck intelligence can often bring up contraditions; when you have such flexibile thinking it can be impossible to find one single logical way things should be. A computer does exactly what its programed to do and that's why it does what's logical; but if something is truly intelligent, couldn't that intelligence in turn create the kind of flaws that would allow it to act illogical?

Megalomania and anger are illogical and I expected that. But there was something... adolescent, undignified about Ultron that I did not expect.

Also, movie AIs are always somehow too human. Cold? Logical? Like hell, it's always some mix of "exterminate humanity" and "I want to be human".

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Megalomania and anger are illogical and I expected that. But there was something... adolescent, undignified about Ultron that I did not expect.

I can understand that. Though in a sense it kind of made sense to me as the movie went on. In a sense it kind of reflects aspects of his "dad" in Tony Stark. A certain level of immaturity and adolescent behavior, perhaps picked up because of Ultron's focus on Stark (even if it's a focus of hate).

[MrTerrorist]

I kinda dislike the Banner/Natasha romance subplot since it's kinda dumping Banner's original love interest Betty Ross.

[GDB]

Not like he hasn't had at least 4 lovers in the comics, including non-humans.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

like the movie overall but thought the banner/blackwidow thing was too obvious as a addon to attract female audiences.

Ironically, some female critics and many female audience basically said "Of all people, Black Widow chose Banner as her lover?? For God's sake, Cap is a better choice! Sheesh." in their reviews .

Originally Posted by GDB

Not like he hasn't had at least 4 lovers in the comics, including non-humans.

Which one has more lovers? Hulk or Banner?

[GDB]

That's... a good question. Gets especially murky when you include the 90s Hulk who had Hulk's body but Banner's brain.

[Ithekro]

I understand that the extra stuff for the Hulk was because the studio won't be able to make another stand alone Hulk movie due to another studio having that right. So they gave him more character development while they can have him on screen.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I understand that the extra stuff for the Hulk was because the studio won't be able to make another stand alone Hulk movie due to another studio having that right. So they gave him more character development while they can have him on screen.

So if another studio has the right, why are they able to use Hulk freely but they can't mention that the twins are mutants?

[GDB]

Because it's not an ownership issue, it's a production issue. They can produce a movie that contains the Hulk, as long as it isn't a Hulk movie.

[Ithekro]

Universal has the rights for Hulk solo films, not the character of the Hulk. Marvel can still use the Hulk, but they cannot make a Hulk only film. At least the is the interpretation as of this year.

[monster]

So the other studio has the right to the mutant characters?

[Ithekro]

20th Century Fox has the rights to the X-men, and likely the main source of the use of the term "mutants".

[monster]

I guess Marvel wised up when it comes to Hulk and some others.

[Urzu 7]

My thoughts and opinions of the movie in spoiler tags. (copy/pasta from somewhere else)

Spoiler for Spoilers:

It was a really cool movie, but not a very good movie. It had a lot of action and some very cool action. It had some really nice special effects. Overall, as a movie, it was solid and it was decent. Throwing in Hawkeye's family and the Natasha/Banner romance...yeah, it did fall flat. I agree, the humor in it wasn't charming like you had in The Avengers 1.

Don't know why they killed the MCU version of Quick Silver. They worked it into plot progression, but they could have advanced the plot some other way. I just don't know why they had him die. He could have been in Civil War and could have been in Avengers 3. Why did they throw him away like that?

I don't know how to place this MCU movie. For MCU movies, I have a top tier, middle tier, and bottom tier, and I guess this goes in the middle tier. Actually, I like GOTG more than Avengers 2. Avengers 2 is definitely a cooler movie, but GOTG is still better in my book. GOTG is fun and it is funny. Good entertainment. The MCU movie at No. 1 for me is Captain America The Winter Soldier, hands down.

Additionally, I don't know whether I think Avengers 1 or Avengers 2 is better. They are both solid comic book movies with good action. Avengers 1 is kinda hokey in some ways and Avengers 2 is cooler, but I enjoyed Avengers 1 more when I first saw it in theaters in 2012.