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Indeed.. he practically wasted a lot of his fortune trying to help those.. while his advisers told him he it wouldn't make a difference.
How sad.. looking back at the stuff he went through This'll probably be one of the bigger things of the decade.. since 00-09 were the crappiest years ever.. I really miss the 90s |
2009-07-08, 01:54 | Link #302 | |
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2009-07-08, 02:13 | Link #305 | |
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The older folks respect him.. the younger folk spite him. Some simply just grew up with the MJ jokes... and absorbed it with out actually knowing what the reality was. I've read many many many articles about him.. and almost 95% percent of them mentioned all the things he did for others.. and not one had anything of negative value besides the accusations and minor things people go through in life. So let's hear your version that trumps all the credited writers |
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2009-07-08, 02:32 | Link #307 |
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Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought)
Perhaps you should have worded your first statement as, You guys seem to see him as the victim but I believe he committed suicide. |
2009-07-08, 02:57 | Link #308 |
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i have my own definition of murder...hehe^^...Call it an escape from the fail but people can change definitions of words simply by applying it with their own perception. In fact, Many English words today are actually not originally what they generally mean today.
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2009-07-08, 03:12 | Link #309 | |
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In any case, those drugs which he took were no paracetomol. So yeah, I do think that he was gambling with his life.
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2009-07-08, 04:33 | Link #312 |
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Well, even if he did commit suicide, it doesn't erase all the good he's done to help others. And doesn't suicide make his death even more tragic?
He's raised hundreds of millions of dollars to help people around the world and yet he himself had troubles which caused him to (let's just assume he did) commit suicide.
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Bad deeds can't be erased and so are good deeds.
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Taking meds to directly end your life there and then is another. I do not think his mindset or his love for his kids for was him to go; "You know what, let me kill myself already." (Man, he had plenty of low moments in his life to do that, if he really wanted to on "instinct".) Nor (and I will take the word of some of the producers of the London tour he worked with while they were rehearsing) was he even in a mindset to die. Michael has said it time and time again about himself in tons of interviews, when he's on stage, he shines, he's at home, he feels comfortable, he loves his fans no matter where they come from. And with 750,000 tickets sold in 4 hrs after 8 years of silence, in addition to the rehearsal videos and just his attitude and professionalism as a performer, I don't think suicide counts on the list today. That's with actual intent of ending it all and he had too much going for him. If we are really gonna be nit picky with "suicide", then we may as well throw in Heath Ledger while we're at it. Quote:
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You're replying in the general chat thread, which typically tends to be a place of debate, so let's hear the other side which has enough evidence to make the scales balance so it can tip eitherway. There are no general points to indicate suicide last time I checked around. Offical ruling of not 1 but 2 post mortems already declare 'no foul play', so you've lost that basis, it's sounding like pure speculation at the moment, which no, I cannot absolutely remove such a claim anymore than can an official judgement from the court remove the likelihood that Princess Diana's death was not purely accidental. Secondly, it depends on what the individual thinks and in my case, suicide has never even entered my mind, nor will a shred of it even be creditable to be honest. Methinks it's the same for millions of peeps around the world and for those who were actively working and living with him in these last few months. Like I said, MJ had plenty of unfortunate moments in his life to play with suicide if he really wanted to but one main thing he did was pour his frustrations into his music: (see, "Scream", "Black and White" and "Leave me alone") Just to name a few. That's a form of escapism and therapy, it's an outlet to survive. So no... the suicide theory is still kinda feeling weak... least in my opinion.
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