2017-10-29, 05:13 | Link #3201 |
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Had Vivid done things properly then Sieg would have been Vivio's last challenge before getting to face off against Nanoha, since for all intents and purposes Sieg should have even more combat expirience than Nanoha, allthough most of it might be from old Belkan Civil War battlefield, the nature of which ALSO pisses me off, but that is a rant for a different time.
But since Vivid didn't do the required effort to set things up, I'm just calling the finale BS despite any last minute justifications writter might pull. Then again I think the format of the finale will be competitors competing for right to fight Nanoha. Soo we might get to see Vivio going against veterans? Nanoha vs Signum: Yes in primary continuity we only know of two. But, if secondary sources carry any weight, according to Movie 2nd commentary Signum vs Nanoha exibition matches happened quite a few times and Nanoha NEVER won, and in fact no longer wants to fight Signum because she considers it futile or something. Which kinda doesn't sound like her.
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2017-10-29, 07:32 | Link #3202 |
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I only listened to to it in Japanese, but I don't remember hearing that in the commentary track, I can check the translated script if I find it in my computer. Also movie 1st and movie 2nd commentary tracks and drama cds are canon, calling them secondary sources is inaccurate.
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2017-10-29, 12:11 | Link #3206 | ||
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As for this specific thing, sometime during Movie 2nd, during downtime wolkies and Nanoha and Fate get talking about having a rematch and Signum is all for it (battle maniac) and of all Nanoha is most hesitant since she was never able to win vs Signum in one of these apparently. In the end tgey decide over Nanoha's protests to volunteer her. Quote:
Which kinda is a shame coz, despite MASSIVE FLAWS Force had, it was more Nanoha tgan Vivid IMO. And those designs happen when you rehire the guy who did Force designs and does mecha designs mostly (did Knights' & Magic)
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2017-10-29, 21:08 | Link #3209 | |
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I was certain Tsuzuki was planning to connected Vivid to Force at some point but with unforeseen bad reception toward force. Tsuzuki probably has no choice but to reshuffle his story will all new brand story with Vivid as main story replaced Force which explain the stagnating story in Vivid because Tsuzuki has no idea how continued it. |
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And if we had to rule out every piece of content based on continuity errors we might as well rule out most of the franchise including big ones like Vivid or anime seasons. Since pretty much al of them at some point make changes to continuity. Quote:
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Not that it matters but I think your assertion was inaccurate either way, in Vivid I'm pretty sure at least a couple of Vivio's friend knew about her and her mothers, and in Vivid Strike at least Rinne did. Small mistakes are normal in big properties like Nanoha, but if I remember correctly those sound stages have some tracks telling a completely different story about events that didn't fit with Strikers, Vivid and Force but the breaking point is that their structure breaks the fourth wall. Last edited by NiwaDaisuke; 2017-10-30 at 08:01. |
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2017-10-30, 14:56 | Link #3214 |
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In her fight with Vivio she says that she knows that girl's story: that "(Vivio) was raised by elite government officials", and the famous photo of Vivio with her two mothers' faces obscured by the sun is shown. I suppose you can still make the argument that Rinne didn't know who Vivio's mothers really were because their faces weren't visible in the image, the only thing we know for sure is that Fuuka was going to meet them and Vivio to eat together (from the Vivid Strike manga episode 3.5), but that has nothing to do with Nanoha and Fate having a level of fame.
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2017-10-30, 16:09 | Link #3215 | ||
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Einhard, the battle maniac Einhard, that is OBSESSED with finding strong opponents and proving the strength of her style made for COMBAT, for some reason was COMPLETELY unfamiliar with who the Ace of Aces of TSAB was. You are also factually wrong about Vivid Strike. The entire bit about her parents, was not about how good they were, but about how weak Vivio is and about how her life was all sunshine and rainbows. Among other points in her rant she remarks on how her parents are government officials and in a way one might assume she is talking about couple of pencil pushers, and not about Ace of the Navy and Ace of Aces. And this is all part and parcel of the whole spiel that Rinne side drops on how Vivio should not be fighting and how she is hopeless and such. That does not sound AT ALL like something you might say about the parents and daughter of mages that saved worlds multiple times and have even blockbusters made about their exploits. What it does seem to me is that they just skimmed her report. And at no point did any one of them remember who Nanoha Takamachi is. Quote:
But that should not invalidate their answers. So if someone asked Nanoha in one of those CDs what is her favorite color, and like she said blue, I would pretty much assume that is the de-facto canonical favorite color of hers until it's overridden by main verse cannon.
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Leaving that aside, I think it's very likely public knowledge that many top military officers are S+ ranked mages, many events have involved them in public areas, I don't think most citizens of Mid Childa think of them as pencil pushers. |
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Hell she could be physically terrible at anything, and just that fact alone would make her someone to at least pay some attention to. But no, she is just some kid from some government officials who don't even get the courtesy of being shown faces of, since they are seemingly so irrelevant.
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Just caught up on this, after having not read it for the better part of a year. My conclusion remains much the same: this series feels like it lost its way after the Infinity Library arc and Vivio/Einhart's fight afterwards. Up until then it felt like it worked, at least for me, but afterwards it just felt like it lost its focus, and just flailed around, tossing in random ideas that the author thought were cool without much thought for plot coherence.
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