2020-04-18, 05:15 | Link #32501 |
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You mean her battle...scene or the twins+Musashi message? The battle was too scantly described to be Nasu, in my opinion. There'll be more jargon nonsense and purple prose if was him. Plus he didn't even mention her in his Bamboo journal entry.
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2020-04-18, 09:48 | Link #32502 | |||
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2) Surtr was stuck in a Servant body at the time. He may have given it a power boost, but I doubt he's was anywhere near his original form's power. (Otherwise, why go to all that trouble of unsealing himself)? Yes, the body was an Age-of-Gods Dragon Slayer, but I doubt the difference in power between (Fake!Sigurd and Sherlock) is as large as the difference between (Hercules and human!Shirou). And BerserkerHercules failed to insta-kill Shirou despite a full-powered blow. (Was Shirou going to die? Very much yes. But he lived long enough to be healed. And I don't think his body is anywhere close to Servant-level toughness.) 3) On a slightly different note, doesn't the whole Servant system gimp any overly powered beings? IIRC, Artemis had to lower....everything such that she could piggy-back onto our summon of Teddy Bear Orion. I would imagine Surtr-as-Sigurd was in a similar situation. So to go back to my original question: Surtr was basically handicapped, gimped, and going easy on us. (Can we also throw in class-disadvantage?) So was there any other factor that makes it strange that a Ruler Sherlock was able to survive in near-critical condition? Quote:
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2020-04-18, 10:15 | Link #32503 | |
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Spoiler for Olympus and speculation:
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2020-04-18, 11:28 | Link #32504 | |
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And I won't contest Holmes surviving. But the degree of convenience in his survival certainly is. The nerf on the servants may not necessarily happens. It is more about can the summoner afford it. And yes, all Crypters had Sirius Light. ...I have to ask, did you read the dialogue or not. Or you just hit skip button and pretend you read it? |
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2020-04-18, 17:16 | Link #32506 | ||
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You're saying that while Chaldea was under inspection over the course of several days, the earth was whited without them knowing? The fact that the crypters initially assumed that the descent of the trees caused the whitening means that the two events occurred simultaneously and the prologue clearly showed Chaldea witnessing the descent of the trees after their escape from the attack by Anastasia. But that is clearly what happened. The oprichniki, which are created by LB King Ivan's power, appeared before the whitening or the descent of the trees, which implies the lostbelts were already active before the descent. I can only assume that the descent of the trees as witnessed was not equivalent to the activation of the lostbelts. The event probably signaled their pasting onto the present day earth. Furthermore, Anastasia is not native to the Russian lostbelt. She is a servant specifically summoned by Kadoc. All of this together means that the lostbelts were active along with their respective crypters well before the attack on Chaldea and therefore the bleaching of the earth and descent of the trees. We know the alien god only chose Wodime at first and only included the other crypters at his behest. We know that in order to harvest the energy for their resurrection, Wodime had to beat a simulation of Part 1 while partnered with each one, proving that interaction and therefore communication with the deceased was possible. It simply makes no sense for the alien god to try and drag them into its scheme. The only benefit the crypters get from its deal are their lives and in exchange they are charged with nurturing their trees along with other conditions with penalties for violations (see Kadoc). There's no point in hiding that its plan entailed trashing Pan Human History. Since it needed the crypters, or rather Wodime, to nurture the trees, it wouldn't do for them to get cold feet by withholding the consequences of its plan. As for the morality of Wodime's actions, while he did scheme against the alien god his true plan also entailed the usurpation of Pan Human History. He would not, as you claim otherwise, have tried to preserve Pan Human History if he could. Not while the possibility of realizing his own goal still existed. In the end, his master plan like Goetia involved the destruction of a world, worlds if you include the other lostbelts that would lose. Quite the opposite. Wodime's lost faith in humanity's ability to make the right decisions. As he puts it, humanity's nature is to make the wrong choice and then clean up the resulting mess. That said, he still loves humanity and wants it to thrive in spite of this shortcoming. As I said before, his plan isn't intended to actually fix humanity's nature, but allow each and every human to realize its potential. Taking those nanomachines might have compromised him and put him at the mercy of the gods.
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2020-04-18, 18:36 | Link #32507 | |
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Why not find a person with Scathach and use his/her servant? Since you're in the NA server, I'll put her up for you to use if you can find me. Edit: She's in the "any" servant slot now. Edit 2: If your friend's list is open, you can pm me and I'll give you my friend number so you can friend me. That way if you need a servant and I have it, you can ask me to put it in a slot.
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2020-04-18, 18:59 | Link #32508 | |
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Humanity being wrong isn't him "losing faith", but actually a fact Nasu agrees and parrots in his blog. So you're not supposed to take it as him losing faith in humans. Otherwise, he wouldn't be so trusting. Tamavinch told Ophelia Wodime accepted Humanity's flaws back in LB2, by the way. Also Holmes, Mashu, Caenis and Musashi used nanomachines and fought those gods fine. There's no plot reason other than giving Wodime a weakness to justify why he's not cleaning the house. Also about the bleaching, since LB1 it established the "god of another planet" did the attack. Even Beryl said they haven't done anything yet (most of the Crypters didn't even have access to the trees or were in control). But speaking of the Tabula Rasa, I have my theories, and surprisingly I stumbled upon twitters with similar dwellings. Spoiler for theory:
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2020-04-18, 19:09 | Link #32509 |
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What Orion said (use a support) or there's the Scathach trial quest that can be unlocked via rare prisms (I think, not sure if NA has this available yet). But she's limited and only seems to be available during New Years anymore, so you got a while to try her out.
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2020-04-18, 23:46 | Link #32510 |
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It's said that he is a ruler because they don't want him prying. As a Ruler, he is bound be the rules to preserve balance. His curiosity is seen as a threat. I don't think he is necessarily evil but rather he can seen as a serious threat to both sides because of his curiosity. The world doesn't want him to unravel its mysteries. And the alien god doesn't want him to unravel his secrets before it is ready to act.
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2020-04-19, 16:56 | Link #32518 | |
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Chaldea and co. received their nanomachines from the gods who sided with humanity. Who committed the act is irrelevant. The point is these crypters chose to become an accomplice to the act. Regardless of their contribution, they choose to stand in the away of recovering that which was lost. The opening is metaphorical. The prologue clearly has Anastasia freezing Chaldea. That oversized globe is a model of Gaia and represents the state of the planet. Doing something to it won't affect the planet. I assume rayshifting was a threat only when Pan Human History still existed. With it gone, there's no when to rayshift to.
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2020-04-19, 17:00 | Link #32519 |
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I think there is a lot of assumption though. From where I see it, what is confirmed is:
- The bleaching isn't cause by the tree. And the crypters shown so far themselves aren't aware of how the lostbelts actually work. Alien god is implies to have the power to do so, but we never shown actual scene or having evidence of it. We might need to go to LB6 or Kadoc waking up before we can actually know the mechanism of the lostbelts. - Holmes is suspicious, remarked by multiple characters. But other than that, we don't know much more about him |
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--- Can someone please give input on my pinup roll tactic for the Apo one? Prio: 1. Jeanne 2. Atalante 3. Either an Assassin(Semiramis), Lancer or Saber. 4.) A Berserker that doesn't bark... Atalanta is featured, so I'll roll her last, as she won't run away. Jeanne is up every day, but usually competes with other Servants, in addition to the ones already featured, hence I'll only roll for her on days where she is alone. It's just two days worth of chances, but she'll only compete with Fran, Astolpho and Siegfried that way.
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