2011-08-02, 00:41 | Link #3363 |
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Yeah, what I thought was going on there is that the Relic acts as a kind of transmitter to connect Vivio to the Cradle, allowing her to channel all that extra mana...but also allowing the Cradle's computers to control her body (and when Quattro's operating it, her mind).
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2011-08-02, 04:21 | Link #3365 |
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A proper Sankt Kaiser controls the Cradle. Vivio was little more than a key while Quattro took the controls.
However, being essentially plugged into a giant Lost Logia war machine has the obvious advantage of being... well... being plugged into a giant Lost Logia war machine. The reactor gives the Sankt Kaiser essentially an endless supply of mana, and in the event that the Kaiser falls it activates a backup program that takes over the Kaiser and allows the Kaiser to fight on even after defeat. |
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2011-08-02, 10:38 | Link #3367 |
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Suddenly, I am having this weird darkfic idea where Vita fails to destroy the main engine, the Cradle becomes self-aware and kills everyone on board except Vivio (including Quattro, Vita, Hayate, Rein, and Nanoha, the latter being killed in front of Vivio) in self-defense. Fate takes command of the RF6 and gives chase after the rogue battleship who stole her daughter. Scaglietti is temporarily pardoned in exchange for his expertise in Belkan tech. And the whole story is told from Subaru's POV, who is heavily scarred by the death of her idol and mentor.
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2011-08-02, 11:35 | Link #3369 |
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Well to answer your question more directly it depends on the function of said relics. Some have the power to destroyed whole worlds like the book of darkness while others are relatively harmless when used correctly like rising heart. In the case of Vivio the relic put inside of her was a power conductor that was modified to double as a mind control device.
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2011-08-02, 15:04 | Link #3372 | |
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Well, Raising Heart may be of Belkan origin, though it is highly unlikely given its magic system is Mid-Childan. Last time I checked, there was no canon data on its origins; it's not even said whether Yuuno found it or created it himself (unlikely, since he never displayed any Device-tech skills later in the series).
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2011-08-02, 15:19 | Link #3374 |
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I think most people who consider Raising Heart to be some sort of lost superweapon are forgetting that Nanoha's power is her own; she'd have magical strength she has regardless of whether or not she had a Device. The only special thing RH had for that was giving her the chance to use that magic. Inherently, RH is just another Intelligent Device and no more special than Bardiche, Mach Calibur, or Cross Mirage.
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2011-08-02, 15:29 | Link #3376 |
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The only thing that I think of that's special about Raising Heart is that it's the ONLY I.D. that wasn't specially designed for its user.
Bardiche, Mach Calibur, Cross Mirage, Sacred Heart, all of them were specifically designed for their users. Raising Heart, on the other hand... Was it stated how long it was in the Scrya Clan, if it was at all, before Yuuno got it? Or did he just find it at the same dig he found the Jewel Seeds?
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2011-08-02, 15:33 | Link #3377 | |
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Especially when one of the requirements of a Lost Logia is "something we can't reproduce."
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2011-08-02, 15:36 | Link #3378 | |
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Any word on that?
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AFAIK Hayate was just a muggle before merging with Rein.
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2011-08-02, 15:52 | Link #3380 |
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Raising Heart is a mistery, we don't have any info on her origins, only that Yuuno hold it and it became Nanoha's main device and developed as a very succesfull ally over time. Maybe it's from special origin, being made from a jwel seed or something, maybe is an old weapon finded by the scrya clan.
Or maybe it has more mundane origins, but still it's a very powerfull device, it allowed a noobish Nanoha to keep up with an expert like Fate on their first fights(sure, Fate trashed Nanoha but the girl manage to briefly hold her own against her, for someone who's on it's first weeks as a mage that's an enormous accomplishement). If Raising Hart has no ancient or special origins i'm pretty sure that at least it was created by some really damn good Meister or being a state-of-the-art device at the time it was crafted. There's a lot of possibilities but the greatest of all misteries is this. We're told that Intelligent Devices are really difficult to master and most commonly those are fitted to work with the mage they been created for, Nanoha and RH instantly become inseparable and a force to be reckoned with. The statistical possibilities for that are astronomical.
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