(L+CR) Plastic Memories

[Flower]

Originally Posted by AntonKutovoi

Ok, point taken. My fault.

Why giftias can adopt kids, though? Giftia's situiation is a pretty traumatizing experience even for an adults, but it's even heavier for a kid. It more or less can be understood in this episode's situation, but even then goverment should've done something.

Sorry if that came across as a pointed or biting reply. Did not mean for it to.

As for Giftias adopting children...my sense is that a very large percentage of society still regard Giftia as "things" or the like. This default behavior is actually seen early on in ep 1 in Tsukasa a teensy bit as well. At first he is surprised at how human Giftia seem, then he treats Isla like a child. Other members of Section One (to varying degrees) interact with their Giftia partners and the Giftia they retrieve in a much more "humane" way, but it is mentioned that they are the exception to the rule in this approach - apparently spearheaded by Kazuki as a result of her interaction with Isla.

So anyway, as far as I can tell Giftia are seen on a level of a highly complex machine, and just as you would not entrust the care of a child to a toaster, a watch or a vacuum cleaner (am using suoer generalized over simplifications here) you would not entrust a child to a Giftia.

As for the government stepping in in a case like the one in ep 4...the government has been mentioned very little thus far in general. It seems the series is focusing more on the responsibilities or lack thereof in the approach of SAI and its branch offices and divisions.

[Mubyoshi]

Great, they decided to throw in some bad guys, now we have to waste time on them now, just GREAT!

[Arya]

Originally Posted by Flower

It seems what deteriotes is primarily the mental functions, though. No mention is made of a physical breakdown.

That should rise the question why Isla's is deteriorating physically and in advance. When all the Giftia so far we have seen seemed pretty fine despite having reached almost their time limit, unlike Isla.

About the kid issue, well, I also think it has been handled a bit poorly. Apparently the kid could sign for the dismissal of his Giftia, and that's already odd, but ok. But I wonder what would have happened if instead of our MCs some random caretaker from some other heartless sections would have come. Apparently the kid would have been left alone? Or again what if our MC would have accepted the kid request? He was sent to this retirement ignoring completely the procedure, like it was just another one. Not that I'm surprised, he didn't even know what job was assigned to nor the more relevant information of Isla. But still it's a bit lacking, also considering that given their skills and all they are assigning to them the easier tasks. So I have to assume it is easy. But is it, considering the young age of the kid?
Again, if some particular procedure should have been taken I suppose the better way would have been overlapping the last weeks of his sister with the new one guardian, human or Giftia.
Last, speaking of procedures, if the sister has been really retrieved by some illegal company the kid has been left alone with no one knowing it for a while. With the burden of having left his sister to some spiteful organization. And I don't even want to start thinking to which kind of work that extremely cute and shapely Giftia could be assigned to, considering that she would still be physically working.

On a more bright note, I really liked Akira!Michiru, I hope they will show her and her cute side more often. and about that, her story should work as world building in relation to the matter of kids being adopted by Giftia. Apparently it happens but not so often, just out of necessity.

[Draco Spirit]

Anyone else getting the feeling that maybe the Giftia are still in that stage where politics and laws hasn't caught up with reality?

[chaos_animagic]

Originally Posted by Arya

That should rise the question why Isla's is deteriorating physically and in advance. When all the Giftia so far we have seen seemed pretty fine despite having reached almost their time limit, unlike Isla.

Maybe Isla is the "Chi" in this series that have some sort of hidden agenda or abilities?... LOL

And they also said "Isla will always remain the way she is now" when Isla is trying to "train"... so... why is Isla "changing"?... really weird if you ask me.

What part of "always remain" means physical decline... especially on a robot... it's not like she have living muscle or tissues (do they?).

[HandofFate]

The Plastic Memories MC should get fired, he's useless.

Why isn't the orange haired girl the MC, everything each episode seems to center around her

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

Anyone else getting the feeling that maybe the Giftia are still in that stage where politics and laws hasn't caught up with reality?

One of the reasons I think Giftias are regulated is because of stuff others already mentioned: Giftias could be employed. So far we have yet to see them outside of companion, helper or caretaker positions. Obviously people work in their world, as evidenced by shitty jobs like Terminal Service, so there's no reason to think everything in their society is run by androids. Giftia's rent fee has to be smaller than what people make, so they are cheap for upkeep. Why not then send Giftias to work instead of humans? They can basically do the same mental tasks as a human and they are more durable. The only reason corporate greed still hasn't replaced the human workforce with Giftias is because there has to be regulation in place.

[Danshenmue]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

The Plastic Memories MC should get fired, he's useless.

Why isn't the orange haired girl the MC, everything each episode seems to center around her

Lol, hes not useless

[thundrakkon]

I wonder what happens when Giftia's get in an accident and are damaged or destroyed? Do they get repaired? Does the company pay as part of a warranty? Or do the owners pay for that? Or does Terminal Services just retrieve them?

[lovetospoon73]

do u guys think that the orange hair chick is jelly about tsukasa's closeness towards isla?

[zeando]

Originally Posted by chaos_animagic

On other note, couldn't they somehow just figure out a way to upload Giftia's memories into a new unit?... is that so hard to do?

if the problem is in the structure of memories which makes up the personality it can't be fixed by a copy
think about it as corrupted data files, you can copy corrupted datas anywhere you like but they will only be corrupted copies, copying them doesn't restore them
if it's a matter of data (software) and not of the support of the data (hardware)

they could likely create a saved copy before it expires and restoring that clean copy everytime the giftia expires, but that would make any experience and memory the giftia had in the while null, it would be the same as erasing them and restarting them anew

[Haruyasha]

Originally Posted by zeando

if the problem is in the structure of memories which makes up the personality it can't be fixed by a copy
think about it as corrupted data files, you can copy corrupted datas anywhere you like but they will only be corrupted copies, copying them doesn't restore them
if it's a matter of data (software) and not of the support of the data (hardware)

they could likely create a saved copy before it expires and restoring that clean copy everytime the giftia expires, but that would make any experience and memory the giftia had in the while null, it would be the same as erasing them and restarting them anew

That or typical anime plot device.

Stop questioning why you can't do something. It's magic.

[Draco Spirit]

I suppose the next best thing to upload and freeze there memories somewhere till the degrading issues can be fixed.

[jcdietz03]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

That or typical anime plot device.

Stop questioning why you can't do something. It's magic.

That doesn't work with this series.
Sidonia - The far future, magical materials that kill aliens, genetic engineering, the whole sheband.
IS Infinite Stratos: Magical war machines that appear from nowhere!
Not this. The only magical thing that happens is the humanlike robots. We see some other things, but for example, the computers the characters use look a bit like ours today (but also different)... so it doesn't seem that magical.
It's hard to say it's magical because there's not that much magical stuff in there already.
But... it does seem a bit magical, doesn't it. A 10-year lifespan. But symptoms start "within 10 hours" of hitting that limit. Seems like planned obsolescence to me.

Originally Posted by Draco Spirit

Anyone else getting the feeling that maybe the Giftia are still in that stage where politics and laws hasn't caught up with reality?

No, I don't think so. The terminal service units would be started up around 9 years after the first Giftia was made, assuming the 9-year limit was always the case. Maybe the law hasn't caught up with tech. Maybe the politicians just didn't care. If the boy doesn't have a real legal guardian, there's no reason he can't sign the release form.

[Mangonel]

The planned obsolescence comment mirrors my thoughts given what we've seen of the corporate execs. From what we've seen Giftia's seem to be a leased property with an upfront purchase much like supported/updated software.

Iirc it was mentioned they are difficult/expensive to produce, forcing an x-year shelf life on the Giftia's allows the company to force upgrades in a similar manner to how Windows only has the latest DirectX versions on their newest OS's. Not to mention it lets them 'refurbish' the retrieved Giftia's and resell them at presumably new or next-to-new pricing (haven't been shown if there is a 'used' market, although we're getting a glimpse of the black market).

And yes, they do seem to be hinting Isla is a special case. Not only is she the only Giftia we've seen whose blatantly inept at her task shes also the only one demonstrating physical deterioration when we were just told those functions tend to hold out long after the mental functions are gone.

[Psyco Diver]

Originally Posted by lovetospoon73

do u guys think that the orange hair chick is jelly about tsukasa's closeness towards isla?

Yea it looks that way, probably setting up his harem and of course the love triangle because why not ?

[ronelm2000]

Actually instead of "physically deteriorating", I feel as though Isla is getting more and more worried about her own deadline, and I feel like each day closer to it, Isla's screwing up more and more. I feel like every day Isla's getting more and more depressed, and like humans, it could explain the decrease in physical deterioration.

TL;DR mental worry => physical deterioration(?)

[BladeEntity]

The way I see it is that memories takes up space in a computer once you fill up that space no matter what container you try to transfer it to the space is still taken up, its like a computer running out of RAM.

[zeando]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

That or typical anime plot device.

Stop questioning why you can't do something. It's magic.

it doesn't matter that much in the end, unless there is really a planned obsolescence set into it
but it's just interesting to think about it

Originally Posted by BladeEntity

The way I see it is that memories takes up space in a computer once you fill up that space no matter what container you try to transfer it to the space is still taken up, its like a computer running out of RAM.

in the last episode they described it as: losing memories and personality, leading the giftias to act with no memory, as if they were going by instinct
if that is what really happens then there should be a loss of those memories, not just being unable to create new ones

maybe once the "space is filled up", they try to remove old memories to make up new space, but the process must not be working well so they end up screwing their own memories leading them to lose them

wonder if during the serie we'll see one giftia (isla aside) reaching the deadline to see what really happens, and if it happens completely right after the deadline or if happens gradually after it

[BladeEntity]

It would make sense that in order to protect the memories already stored, the giftia start acting on instinct by removing thier personality, the also lose the ability to have additional memories. This might be how they protect the memories inside, if there is a happy ending here, the terminal services might retrive the expiring giftia and store the memories until an advancement leading to improve life span might occur.