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View Poll Results: Nisemonogatari - Episode 08 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 166 | 75.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 10.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 4.55% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.36% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 1.36% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 0.91% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.45% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 2.73% | |
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2012-02-26, 19:03 | Link #321 | |
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I don't think that's an attempt to "sugarcoat" the scene, but it's a way of trying to explain how it felt to me when I watched it. If it weren't for the extremely over-the-top eroticism and the incestuous undertones, I'm not sure if the "joke" (the way I saw it, at least) would even have been funny and then maybe it would just be "poorly-disguised softcore porn". But I suppose you could say this is a sort of "black" sense of humour.
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2012-02-26, 19:23 | Link #324 |
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Well, I believe the source is this one.
http://metanorn.net/2012/02/nisemono...thors-comments From the blog post, regarding author's notes translation: "It's a Japanese to Korean to English translation, so please excuse any bad wording or errors. I believe I got the main message correct." edit: Read through it.
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2012-02-26, 19:50 | Link #327 | |
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2012-02-26, 19:58 | Link #328 | |
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If he honestly did write it for himself, it would be a treat to actually read it. To gaze into the mind of the pervert, so to speak
Watching Nise will be somewhat more interesting. As I said, I'd love to see Nisio's best shot at his mental masturbation. I shall remain skeptical. He seems honest here, though. Quote:
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2012-02-26, 20:06 | Link #329 |
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Lynch made Eraserhead for his own gratification, yet it is one of the best films I have ever watched in life. Appealing to the masses should not be the objective of any artist, but they can not live outside a society that will have very vocal critics enforcing their ideals, despite themselves not being able to contribute in any way. Actually, self-centered and honest work yields better results when viewed without the intervention of middle men who tell people what to think... which is kind of the problem I have (and probably) others have with 5 posters throughout Nise- and keeps away several others from the threads and forum
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I read some of this thread before I watched the episode. It honestly left me expecting Yosuga no Sora. Quote:
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I don't get why fans of this episode seemingly can't accept this. The sense I'm getting from a lot of the fans of this episode is an assumption that everybody's taste in comedy, fanservice, etc... has to be the same as theirs or the person with a different taste is somehow horribly "biased". Like Archon_Wing wrote before on this thread, there's a certain arrogance to that. I'd really like to see the bigger fans of this episode openly state that they can understand and respect why some of us just didn't find this particularly entertaining and/or worthwhile. I'd like to see the bigger fans of this episode accept the fact that some other viewers don't share their tastes, and that such taste differences is perfectly legitimate. Quote:
Given what others have wrote about Nishio's approach to Nise, it's perhaps possible that this part of the Monogatari series might be the exception to the rule for him, and he won't go back to it often. Quote:
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2012-02-26, 20:36 | Link #332 | ||
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I, personally, don't feel a need to reiterate this. But then again, I might not be one of those "bigger fans" you refer to Quote:
I think Nisio was just stressing his concern that his own (perhaps sexual) fantasies don't make that great of a story for a Light Novel. Maybe they don't, but I'm ready to fully indulge.
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2012-02-26, 20:44 | Link #333 |
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Given the course of the discussion I want to chime in and add that like others I too found the episode very bad not because I'm on some sort of moral crusade (I've long since accepted that shows like this will pander to a certain subsection of fans), but because I just legitimately did not find anything amusing or very clever about it all.
I really don't understand how it's so hard for some people to grasp that people can not like an episode of a show despite it being an accurate portrayal of source material events (not all shows are even adaptations keep in mind so this sort of thing should not be a "get out of jail free card" and this is before all the other problems with this type of thinking come into play) or that they can comprehend the attempt at humour and still not find it funny. I just really didn't see much worth getting really excited over and I found the pacing extremely poor and the attempt at a gag drawn out. That's really all it came down too. |
2012-02-26, 20:54 | Link #334 | ||
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I will say that I like how a couple posters wrote that they'd prefer a scene of the same nature with Hitagi, which I think shows at least some understanding of where some of the more critical posters (like myself) are coming from. I would also prefer a scene like this if it was with Hitagi, partly because I'd see it as part of ongoing romance development. Quote:
A lot of fanfic writers write "just to have fun" rather than to write something that they think will be well-received by fellow fans. I know that I myself sometimes incorporate elements into my own fanfic writing that's just for personal shits and giggles.
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2012-02-26, 21:12 | Link #338 |
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You're not alone with that sentiment. This episode is probably the most polarizing for this season, but I'm going to hang on to this show till the end; only then I'll hand out my final judgment.
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2012-02-26, 21:19 | Link #340 |
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I didn't think there was a need to explain an episode like this other than. "...WTF"
Triple R and a few others are right - Just because some people don't like a particular element, character, episode, etc., there's no need to try and 'convert' them, persay or even try to explain it to them (unless they ask for it). They understand what happened - they watched the same episode we all did. We all just picked up different things from it. And no, I'm not aiming a mallet at anyone, just my $0.02 The only real thing I got from this episode, other than not-so-good ideas about toothbrushes, was that Koyomi and Karen have reached an entirely different plateau of awareness for each other thanks to this. I got my own expounding theories on why it happened, why Koyomi chose a toothbrush of all things, and why Karen got what Nadeko tried so hard to get ( ), but I don't feel like writing all of it right now. If anyone wants to compare 'theories' that's fine by me - would be interesting to read what other's picked up on at the very least. ...maybe I will go read at least this chapter in the novel to see what I'm missing out on.
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