Valvrave the Liberator 2 - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[finalfury]

Liselotte explaining the existence of Magius video um yea, that can work. :x
Marie video showing Kamitsuki loss of memory might be helpful. :v
Pino talking to L-elf and Marie video might be helpful. :c

[Dr. Casey]

Originally Posted by LystAP

I don't get the Q-vier hate either, like someone said before, he's being precisely what he's supposed to be, a loyal, skilled, but slightly psychotic super-soldier. He's probably one of the most competent (and/or fortunate (both ideal traits for any soldier)) opponents here, and if there were any justice, he would probably survive all of this. There's never been any contradictions with any of his actions or loyalties, he fought for his country and comrades (unlike certain others), and if anything he'll be one of the first soldiers to turn on Cain, now that his comrades' "defections/rebellions" have been justified.

The details are kind of vague now, so I don't really remember why I came to dislike him in the first place, but I recall Q-Vier being threatening towards people for no good reason. I forget whether he actually intended to harm said person(s) or not or was just being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole, but either way, I don't like thuggish behavior.

[~BC~]

Originally Posted by finalfury

Liselotte explaining the existence of Magius video um yea, that can work. :x
Marie video showing Kamitsuki loss of memory might be helpful. :v
Pino talking to L-elf and Marie video might be helpful. :c

Problem is you're assuming that just by viewing these things people will come to the ideal conclusions.

Lieselotte video: "Yay! They've been jacking us for centuries!"
Marie memory loss: Not sure how helpful that would be to those not personally attached to her.
Pino talking to L-Elf: "Why the f@$% did the Dorssian know all of this before us!"
Pino talking to Marie: Leaves even more questions tbh. Not to mention the bag of worms that is the school experimentation. Which would go ditto for Kibukawa's explanation to L-Elf.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by ~BC~

Problem is you're assuming that just by viewing these things people will come to the ideal conclusions.

Nobody's assuming anything. We're pointing out she had the truth available to her and choose not to watch more videos because it hurt her little guilt-ridden teenager heart. She chose to cry and be useless then play martyr as if she's done anything to deserve this while everyone else is busy doing the right thing.

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by ~BC~

Problem is you're assuming that just by viewing these things people will come to the ideal conclusions.

Lieselotte video: "Yay! They've been jacking us for centuries!"
Marie memory loss: Not sure how helpful that would be to those not personally attached to her.
Pino talking to L-Elf: "Why the f@$% did the Dorssian know all of this before us!"
Pino talking to Marie: Leaves even more questions tbh. Not to mention the bag of worms that is the school experimentation. Which would go ditto for Kibukawa's explanation to L-Elf.

The students are seriously that stupid? Really?
Basic logic 101/common sense says this:
Lise: Monsters are among us. Beware. Dorssia has a connection to the monsters.
L-elf: Only certain people are compatible to the Valvraves.
Marie: JIOR had test pilots. Student test pilots.
Memory loss: Memories are the price they pay for the power they have.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by finalfury

The students are seriously that stupid? Really?
Basic logic 101 says this:
Lise: Monsters are among us. Beware. Dorssia has a connection to the monsters.
L-elf: Only certain people are compatible to the Valvraves.
Marie: JIOR had test pilots. Student test pilots.
Memory loss: Memories are the price they pay for the power they have.

And Dorssia said they had been an experiment in this episode. Shoko chose to be ignorant, she can't blame it on Haruto anymore. She had information at her disposal and chose to not watch all videos in search for answers. If truth was oh so important to her, she would have man up and watched them.

She gets zero sympathy points from me after this episode.

[~BC~]

Originally Posted by Thess

Nobody's assuming anything.

You're assuming she had any reason to think all those important details were just sitting there waiting for her to find. As far as she knows all she's going to see is piloting, maintenance and the occasional scratching. Again, it's the viewer perspective influencing your reasoning.

Originally Posted by finalfury

The students are seriously that stupid? Really?

You're asking this question? Really?!

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by finalfury

The students are seriously that stupid? Really?

Did you see how they reacted to Haruto's return this episode? Yes, they're pretty stupid. They certainly have a tendency to jump to the worst conclusions possible. And there's all sorts of negative conclusions they could jump to if you tried telling them the truth.

[finalfury]

My self-delusions are gone now. -brb, bashing my head against a wall-

Nanami-sensei calls her "Shoko-san" not Shoko Prime Minister or PM. Implications?

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Did you see how they reacted to Haruto's return this episode? Yes, they're pretty stupid. They certainly have a tendency to jump to the worst conclusions possible. And there's all sorts of negative conclusions they could jump to if you tried telling them the truth.

Maybe they should have killed them and rescue the poor injured people so Kibukawa can treat them. Their idiocy will get many more killed.

[DevilHighDxD]

You know what Thess? You should ask a mods to created a debate/argument thread for you to use

[Thess]

Why? We're discussing details and behavior of this episode.

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by Thess

Why? We're discussing details and behavior of this episode.

Valvrave =/= Shoko is what I believe Devil is implying with the post. :c
Or it would be fun to see a thread where you go head to head with people who share the opposite opinion as you.
Yea, I got nothing. :v

On-topic: Kamitsuki immortality doesn't seem to regenerate lost limbs. @.@

[Twi]

We could carry it over to the Shouko Thread, but that might be lighting a bondfire.

[~BC~]

Originally Posted by Thess

She just found out important details from one single video. If truth was oh so important T_T to her she would watch it, hoping it would clarify something. She didn't try, she gets everything served to her which is why people hate her and want her dead in Japan. Sadly I doubt Okouchi will give them (and me) that joy.

Still doesn't address what I just said. She's not going to look for answers if she doesn't think they're there. Maybe she did see more but without proper context she has to figure out how to dispense that informaton without riling them up further. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by finalfury

Valvrave =/= Shoko is what I believe Devil is implying with the post. :c
Or it would be fun to see a thread where you go head to head with people who share the opposite opinion as you.

I've discussed Haruto's, L-Elf's, A-drei's, Kriemhild, Akira and Satomi in the past posts of last page. Not my fault if Shoko defense force jumps in. Maybe they should create their own thread.

Originally Posted by finalfury

On-topic: Kamitsuki immortality doesn't seem to regenerate lost limbs. @.@

That we know, at least. Maybe rune-limbs are possible? Lieselotte had rune wings.

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by Thess

I've discussed Haruto's, L-Elf's, A-drei's, Kriemhild, Akira and Satomi in the past posts of last page. Not my fault if Shoko defense force jumps in. Maybe they should create their own thread.



That we know, at least. Maybe rune-limbs are possible? Lieselotte had rune wings.

Fair enough.

Okouchi taking a page from Yoshino's book and brings back limbs ala Shu's Void style. :x

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by finalfury

My self-delusions are gone now. -brb, bashing my head against a wall-

Nanami-sensei calls her "Shoko-san" not Shoko Prime Minister or PM. Implications?

NeoJIOR is effectively dead, and Nanami-sensei knows it. L-Elf and Haruto are talking about creating a new country. That's one of the reasons Shouko isn't in on this. Another is what Haruto said here to Shouko...

"I shouldn't have lied to you. If I'd been honest with you, even if it meant getting hurt, maybe we could've found a way to work through this together."

Haruto feels like what has happened between him and Shouko now makes complete cooperation between them impossible. He probably feels like they simply don't have the time for them to rebuild mutual trust.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by finalfury

Okouchi taking a page from Yoshino's book and brings back limbs ala Shu's Void style. :x

Remember those things the Valrave pulls like crystalized too seem to be made on base of runes too. It'll be very consuming memory-wise.

I'm curious of why Prue and Pino seem a bit more powerful than the average Magius.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Haruto feels like what has happened between him and Shouko now makes complete cooperation between them impossible. He probably feels like they simply don't have the time for them to rebuild mutual trust.

The scene, I must say, contrasts with A-drei and L-Elf rebuilding their trust for a common goal after A-drei was kept in the dark.

[finalfury]

So I just read somewhere that Shouko is considered the Nina Purpleton of Valvrave. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
That and the apparent appearance of Saki = increase in overall quality of the show which I do agree with.