2014-01-06, 02:28 | Link #3401 | |
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Second, Lost Canvas actually makes up all the blandness by giving us more (again) dynamic animation. Sure, the God Cloths look shinier in Hades Elysium but it’s meaningless if the characters wearing them barely move. I’d chose a less shiny Cloth (of any kind) with decent character movement/animation over shiny Cloth in still frames anytime. Any artist can draw shiny and detailed object in still frames and with little animation, but the true achievement is to properly animate it. EDIT: I’ve double-checked my earlier post and I have one more thing to say @Goty: Why did you even quote me and bring out how you dislike the cloths in LC in the first place? I didn’t even slightly address that matter. I only said I like LC’s dynamic animation. The next thing I know, you quoted me and then went on and on about how lame the cloths in LC look. Looking at your reply to me, it shows that you’re being a bit over-sensitive when someone praises a certain element of LC. Yeah I get it, you’re not that fond of LC, but please don’t misunderstand my post and use that misunderstanding to further bash Lost Canvas.
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And you have the nerve to say i am the over-sensitive here. Ha!! You gotta learn to live with different opinions, just saying. My post wasn't even long, i just replied to your implying that "dynamic animation" , makes a cloth look better, when it doesn't. Shingo Araki was never a great key animator, but his episodes, despite the lacking animation, are praised by fans because of his art. That was my point. You don't need to get all defensive about LC, when that was just used to prove a point in general. |
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2014-01-06, 15:47 | Link #3404 | ||
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Like I said, the cloth “reputation” is not only about how it looks, it’s also about how it’s animated. Derpiness for moving elaborate object (such as armors and mechas) almost always goes along with hand-drawn animation and I’m fine with that as long as the animation is decent-to-great. Movie-level perfection with “no derpiness while moving” is hard to come by let alone in OVAs, so don’t come complaining to me about derpiness of armors in LC when it’s ever-present in SS franchise, unless of course there’s so much stills and not much movements to begin with like Elysium. Even Gundam Unicorn, despite being Sunrise's top OVAs to date with so much talent and budget thrown in it still have moments of derpiness involving the titular mecha when it moves because it's still hand-drawn. The cloths in LC don't look perfect, but they still look acceptable-to-decent in moving sequences. In case you still didn't get it the first time around: yes, I think the god cloths in Elysium looks great, but the significant lack of animation and too much stills hurts the cloths's reputation. That's my opinion. @Galaxian Hmmpph.....that Taurus looks so weird but glorious at the same time. I'm mixed about it. Can't wait to see it in animation though.
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2014-01-06, 16:16 | Link #3405 | |
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@Goty On this other forum I partake in I'd be negged to death by this sub-section if I talked shit about LC. Not saying I mind anymore, but de-railed the shit out of the Omega thread talked about Lost Canvas. That pic you showed me of Tenma God cloth brought down my expectations. Hopefully, some episodes later like said by Galaxian in his tumblr "we get a Athena Exclamation from Shiryu, Fudo and Kiki". |
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2014-01-06, 16:38 | Link #3407 |
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Like I said in my previous posts: the Cloths and the overall setting in Hades Elysium looks great (which I like), but it has so many still frames and lack of character movements (which I don't like). That simple.
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2014-01-06, 16:53 | Link #3409 | |
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I've always said this since the first time I saw Elysium: It's more like manga panels brought to the screen with adding some movements than a proper animation. At least that's what I think.
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2014-01-06, 18:51 | Link #3411 |
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I agree. Overture/Tenkaihen has great animation. The cloths look decent, the CG does not distract, the backgrounds are beautiful, and the movements of the characters are fluid while maintaining the classic Kurumada design. Overall, it's very well-done for its time.
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2014-01-06, 19:19 | Link #3414 |
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Please don't go far off topic by including DBZ. I already provide you examples of better character movements within Saint Seiya franchise with Tenkaihen movie and Lost Canvas.
Ermm....do you forget that Seiya flies with his Pegasus's wings to save Saori in Elysium before he gets one-shotted by Thanatos?
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2014-01-06, 20:11 | Link #3415 |
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That's Seiya's cloth that's doing the flying. Same with Hyoga's and the other Saint's whose constellations that allow flight. Also I wasn't going off-topic by mentioning DBZ, I was just saying the fight animation isn't the same and your posts seem be suggesting that fights should progress that way. |
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So, stop bringing "Dragon Ball" and "flying" to this argument.
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2014-01-06, 20:59 | Link #3417 | |
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The way you phrased "fly" you make it sound as if all Saints possess the ability to fly. I was merely correcting you. Quote:
The original series also had its share of short-comings in fights. I'd say the Sanctuary end-game fight is easily the best: Shaka vs Camus Shura and Saga is another winner |
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2014-01-06, 21:03 | Link #3418 |
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my toughts about "fly" i think any saint who attain the seven sense can fly or at last levitate, at last almost every "gold" saint can fly, at last on omega if not fly at last levitate as we see fudo doing this, we see both gemini doing this we see even if i'm not wrong even taurus levitating.
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2014-01-06, 21:13 | Link #3419 |
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The Original series was fine for its time. I have no problem with it. It’s good for a TV series from the 80s. What do you expect? And your videos are also good examples for good animation. I have no problem with Hades Sanctuary arc. My problem is with Hades Elysium/Elysion/Elysios arc (and Hades Inferno arc to some extend).
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2014-01-06, 21:35 | Link #3420 |
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@Obelisk Ze Tormentor
Don't use the "just cuz the show's from the 80's means it's impossible for the animation to be better" as an excuse. Also Hades Inferno and Elysium Seiya and co were on the defensive even after invading Hades playground. @Ellessar Yeah, it'd be nice to see Fudo act just as agile as his predecessor. |
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