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Only one pair of MEoDP can exist at a time, so Ryougi at least never acquired them in Tsukihime timelines.
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2021-06-08, 13:29 | Link #34244 | |
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And there isnt a limitation on the number that can exist, it's just that the way they come about is so specific it's almost impossible to manifest. In the first place the two Shiki's have different forms of of the eyes. Tohno has the actual eyes, Ryougi has a more powerful version that's more a manifestation of VOID Shiki.
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2021-06-08, 14:02 | Link #34246 |
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They aren't infinite, though. The World (presumably the planet specifically in this case) has a limited amount of energy and slices off possibilities that it considers dead ends. The whole "Pruning Phenomenon" that created the Lostbelts, basically.
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The World means Alaya in this case. The Human Order is inherently unstable (which is why it would literally peel off the planet like old duct tape with anchors like Rhongomyniad) so it cannot sustain infinite timelines and gets rid of the dead weight.
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2021-06-09, 05:47 | Link #34251 | |
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Also, this is the worst thing Nasu came up with his world-building and makes me glad both the real Da Vinci and Roman are dead so they can't be stained with the rest of Chaldea part 2.
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2021-06-09, 08:15 | Link #34253 | |
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Who knows? Maybe the Ryougi got wiped out or never came up with the idea they did on those timelines, or Shiki never ended with those specific circumstances that led to her getting the eyes.
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But again Ryougi doesn't actually have the eyes Arc is talking about, she has something super similar as a result of VOID. All Textures are like that, though. Including the ones outside the Human Order. It's why the Lostbelts get zapped if the Tree is gone.
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2021-06-09, 10:51 | Link #34255 | |
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There are several Parallell universes existing next to each other on one side, and each can have different properhuman histories. For example, In the Proto Paralell, Artoria isn't part of Proper human history, but Arthur is. In Normal Fate ones however, Arthur isn't part of Proper Human History, but Arthoria is. So you basically have Dimension A with it's own pruned histories, Dimension B with it's own pruned histories, and so on. Which is what makes the statement not thought through in advance. HGW?
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That said the Prototype timeline isnt part of Proper Human History. It has entirely separate rules (like the Counter Force is evidently absent as Proto Gil is capable of physically destroying the world) and Proto Arthur is a world traveler like Musashi who came from what is presumably a pruned timeline.
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Looks like JP players are getting some interesting stuff in the next update.
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In any case, we know for a fact that KnK happens in Fate timelines because we literally see Mikiya and Mana in Adventures and Tsukihime can't happen in those timelines, so my point stands. Quote:
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The point is that they were originally in the same world and were retconned to be subtly different worlds. Quote:
Characters are not exclusive to their "base" timeline. There are versions of them in most worlds, and it's not like the Tsukihime and Fate worlds are totally separate realities. The only dividing point is whether it leans towards the affirmation or [blank space Nasu left on purpose] of Humanity. Arcuied Brunstead can canonically be called in Fate Extra, for one. Quote:
Her power is classified as ESP and is a natural extension of VOID that only "shares some similarities" with Mystic Eyes, while Shiki's are the result of a bunch of coincidences and also having the Eyes of Clarity.
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There isn't a requirement for those worlds to run on the exact same rules either. Also pretty sure that arthur wasn't pruned away, otherwise he wouldn't be in the throne of heroes. Also pretty sure that Arthur's wasn't pruned. >I can only think of two pruned Servants, which are Yu's husband + Ivan, and in both parties case it looks more as if the Lostbelt somehow affected their spirit origin.
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Parallel Worlds have been a part of the Nasuverse since before Fate existed as a concept, my dude. Zelretch, the Kaleidoscope dude, is the user of the Second Magic: Kaleidoscope, the Operation of Parallel Worlds. The Proper Human History is the concentration of parallel worlds that don't lead to dead ends or the destruction of humanity, but there isn't a single "prime" timeline. And basically everything in the Nasuverse exists within that concentration outside of Notes (because in Notes the planet that maintains Proper Human History is dead) Arthur isn't on the Throne in the first place, he's the actual person traveling the multiverse iirc. We can summon him because the Fate system (Chaldea's summoning system) is utter bullshit and can basically create Servants out of whole cloth as long as it's been observed once. See also Saber Alter and Jeanne Alter, who originally didn't exist as separate entities on the Throne.
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