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We also know for a fact the Case Files takes place in the exact same timeline as F/SN, while Adventures happens in a fourth timeline that follows it (because Nasu really doesn't want to choose between routes) Quote:
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I also never said there was a single one, I said Paralell A has it's own version of it Paralell B has it's own version of it [...] I don't really see where the difference to what you said is there. Would be strange if there was one to begin with, because the very definition of this theory doesn't have a single line, as that single line would split at the first major event in history. How WWII ended is actually a rather common example for such a split, as a different outcome would have large scale consequences. I'm also pretty sure Arthur's version hasn't been pruned, there is no indication of a dead end there. - Unless it's the same world where the Da's completed their ritual. Heck not even Skadi's Lostbelt was a real dead end from the moment on Sultr got defeated.
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Fate Hollow Ataraxia. There's a future where Shirou and Luvia are hunting Dead Apostles with Shiki.
Which is funny because Nasu has stated they'd never get along, so there's a future where Luvia has to play baby sitter to two bickering former harem protagonists Poor girl never catches a break. Quote:
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Nasu even goes out of his way to describe how Arc would actually match up against Servants and such. Bruh They're talking about it being a meta space where "main characters" can't interact, it has nothing to do with actual canon. That's a joke scene.
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There is only one, has only ever been one, and the Lostbelts are possibilities that were sheared away. That's always been the Nasuverses and Fates explanation. The Nasuverse doesnt run on the theory you're talking about, it has it's own internal logic based on Nasu's rules. He never tied it to real world Multiverse theory. And Arthur's world was pruned because the world put a timelock on Saber drawing Caliburn. Meaning it rejected any version of events where she didn't do it, including Arthur's. As for Skadi, it was a dead end until Chaldea came and killed Surtr. While it had a future at that point, in terms of its timeline it wasn't capable of such a future on it's own.
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2021-06-09, 14:46 | Link #34266 |
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Minor correction to my previous statement, Case Files does actually exist in the same world as the FSN routes (which raises....other questions, but that's besides the point).
That said, Tsukihime also exists in the exact same world as Mahou Tsukai no Yorou and Clock Tower 2015. And since Touka is the one who makes Shirous body in Heavens Feel, that should make it clear people from Tsukihime worlds can exist in Fate worlds and vice versa.
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Unlikely, the DAA as an organization doesn't come into existence in worlds with a strong counterforce. Meaning if the world is strong enough to summon servants naturally, the counter force will make sure the DAA members don't get strong enough to form the group. (ie Eddy killing Roa in fate timelines. Zepia staying as sane as a Atlas mage normally is because yes the world's doomed but not hopelessly so) If the world doesn't summon servants naturally no one has the info to model the HGW summons.
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2021-06-09, 15:32 | Link #34268 | |
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2021-06-09, 15:41 | Link #34269 |
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I don't think the Prototype timeline is in Proper Human History. It works off completely different rules from the rest of Nasuverse. Proto Gil can actually destroy the world with his NP, which means the Counter Force isn't there.
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3 Tails Tamamo is already more powerful than Gil, and we are talking about the nine tailed one here...
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2021-06-09, 17:24 | Link #34271 | |
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The Counter Force explicitly wouldn't allow that in Proper Human History. Tamamo was never a threat to the entire planet, just the people attacking her (and the country she led to ruin, but that was through trickery)
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I'm not saying she wasn't powerful, just that the safety measures in place in the normal Nasuverse aren't there in Prototype
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By what we know, even Tamamo has a higher chance to become a grand than him. (And yes, she doesn't have mystic eyes, but she can see into the future regardless...) I think for Tamamo it would probably be Orion, as sniping her from afar seems to be the key to victory here... Or Solomon, as Merlin isn't actually Grand, and Caster Gil is kind of a joke. Counter Force: The counter force only reacts as last resort, in Prototype, Arthur is there and very capable of defeating Gil. Just think about HF. Dark Sakura is more than enough reason to dispatch at least a counter guardian, and yet, it didn't happen. - In fact we know that it could happen as Emiya has seen this exact event before, meaning he is either from a HF version where Sakura went full dark, or the counter guardian who got dispatched against a similar event. E: Going by whats being said almost everywhere there already is a rather Dormant Beast Tamamo/ Amaterasu, I still don't see why people insist that thing in CCC was Amaterasu, as she never actually said her name and it leaves actually more room for her to be 9tails Tamamo than Amaterasu. - At least going by the Translation I saw.
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My memory is kinda vague, the only reason I remember that part is because a friend and I kept joking about the fights they'd get into. Quote:
The Dead Apostles and therefore Brunstead (who created them) still exist in the Fate timelines, they just aren't as organized/powerful You're not wrong but the joke in that scene is that the main characters can't interact, it doesn't involve their eyes
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And no, the Counter Force doesn't react in FSN because Angra is interfering. The same way most antagonists trying to do something big in the Nasuverse find some way around it before getting started. Besides, its restrictions on destroying the planet are much more specific. Like in Shinjuku they go into detail how even if you could gather enough energy to do it the planet would just not allow the Phenomenon to take place. It would have deleted the asteroid or diverted it manually outside of it being a Singularity totally cut off from the world. Gil actually successfully fires his world flooding NP. Again, it's something that flat out can't happen in the rest of Nasuverse.
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As for if the counterforce is there or not remember if he doesn't destroy the world with the NP we have no clue if wouldn't trigger the counterforce if he tried. The CF does as little as posable to fix problems and is sort of outside of time.
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I do, but the point is moot either way since the reason I brought it up was that people from one "side" still exist in the other.
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Edit: should probably clarify that it does so through the creation of the True Ancestors, who create the Dead Apostles
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