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I can't even laugh at this stupidity...
Are you fucking nuts? Jessica is Asumu's daughter? Have you read Umineko? Have you missed the part where the narrative tells you she looks like Natsuhi a lot? And how the flying fuck would Natsuhi be tricked into believing that Jess is her daughter? Quote:
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2014-11-03, 08:25 | Link #34584 |
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When she threw baby from the cliff, she did it spontaneously, without thinking about all the implications and problems that would arise later. What happened then was that Kinzo became infuriated with her, and Eva used this opportunity to make a deal with Kinzo that she will not be erased from family record and her child will become the successor. This whole matter meant that Natsuhi would be kicked out of the family, and the only way for her to fix it would be to become pregnant. So this time she had a long time to sit and think about her future.
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Did it say specifically that there was an exact moment that Eva began talking with Kinzo? Because I'm pretty sure there wasn't. And, if what you're saying is true, Rufolf should have been using Jessica's birth to blackmail Krauss- and yet he uses embezzlement instead.
Also, if what you're saying is true, then Ryukishi must be an awful awful writer, since none of this has any resolution or payoff in any way, shape, or form in Chiru. Also- Natsuhi being kicked out of the family? There's absolutely no hint of that even being a possibility of happening! Maybe she and Krauss would lose status as Head, but certainly not kicked out! Quote:
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Also, Jessica dressing up Kanon as her corpse is impossible, as "Regarding the unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed. Therefore, no body double tricks exist!" Not only that, but Battler could see Jessica's face in Ep2.
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2014-11-03, 09:31 | Link #34586 |
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I bet Maria is also adopted and could possible be George's daughter with Shannon. And I sensed some lesbian vibes from Natsuhi and Eva and they also love each other and have an affair. Yes, this makes sense. They kill everyone together because the world they were living in didn't accept lesbians.
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Is there any evidence that Maria is adopted? Quote:
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Kumasawa used to be super hot back in her prime and she was bitter than Kinzo didn't like her. And Ryu said that in one episode she made Kumasawa the culprit and told me to solve which, yes. |
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2014-11-03, 10:27 | Link #34591 | |
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Then why don't you present all this evidence to the court?
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2014-11-03, 10:31 | Link #34593 |
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Really, I'm curious- what do all these Anti-ShKanontricers want anyway? With the real solution, you get an amazing story with great characters and a memorable message that will stick with the reader- So why does it need to be a puzzle waiting for someone to solve? Why does it need to be a deflated, hole-riddled, ugly story full of lies and red herrings? What's in it for Ryukishi? What is the reader expecting? The one to solve the truth to be visited personally by Ryukishi, who gives them a sparkly shash that proclaims "MISS ROKKENJIMA 2014?" Why would Ryukishi construct a story just to lie to readers?
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2014-11-03, 10:35 | Link #34594 |
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Because the "plot twist this is bullshit" thing is very interesting to a lot of people in every fandom. Like, for example, we have a fantasy story and plot twist, it's all in someone's head and he's a drug addict.
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2014-11-03, 10:43 | Link #34595 |
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It honestly comes off as insulting to the author. "I didn't like his story, but some parts were kind of neat, therefore the story is a hollow fake to distract from the 'real' story- that is, the story I think would have been better."
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I didn't like his solution, because it contradicts all the rules and evidence given by his own story, and also there is a lot of hints that there are multiple layers of truth, paralels with Divine Comedy, without love truth can't be seen, only one in a thousand will understand the truth, and that only in third-rate mystery novels does culprit confess to his crimes and motives, while in good novels it all can be deducted from evidence, therefore the official explanation is a hollow fake to distract from the real story - that is, the story that follows from all of the evidence and rules of the game. And of course, if there is one word that can fully describe Umineko, it's deception. It's Umineko's main theme. It's a game about deception, and importance of thinking with your own head. ...Battler......! We, ......didn't want to doubt our friends... We refused to face reality, ...and gave in to the witch......! But, ...Battler, you won't.........won't, ......give in to the witch......! Geh, ggghh, ......gggggghhkkkkkkk!!!" Last edited by eX_ploit; 2014-11-03 at 11:22. |
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You're so full of it that now I'm getting mad. Are you implying you're one in thousands?
And let me tell you one thing, Umineko might be a good mystery novel, but it's by no means as grand and as deceptive as you think. It's time for you to admit that you didn't like the solution instead of making this bullshit up. Shkannon makes perfect sense. There are no contradictions nor holes, what the heck are you even talking about. |
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If I were you, I'd change your icon from Edgeworth to Erika, because you are one piece of work.
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We know that at the time Battler was locked in the logic error, "this room is a closed room created from the inside. The seals on the windows are intact, so there can be no escape from there. Of course, there is no way to escape by leaving through the bathroom. ......I'll make it simple. There is no exit to escape from except for this door." So, as long as that red is relevant, the only exit is by the door. If a seal on the windows had been broken, a window could have been another exit. Quote:
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"Erika dashed down the hallway with a sickening smile and clung to the guest room door like a spider. Then, she closely examined the seals she had placed retroactively." She was clinging to the door at the time and examining the "seals". Multiple seals. Of course, the Japanese version, as in the bit I quoted above, does not actually specify whether there was a single "seal" or multiple "seals" on the guest room door. It could be a single seal there, but then again, there's also no reason to suppose that in the Japanese version any more than a single seal was broken. Therefore! If we are going by the Japanese text, nothing there indicates that the seal which was broken was not a singular seal, or that, if there were multiple seals broken, there were not multiple seals on the door which could be broken. If we go by the English translation patch, the door has multiple seals on it. Furthermore, it is irrelevant because "There is no exit to escape from except for this door." In addition to that, we can prove in red that Kanon never left the guest room, so it is not possible for him to have left by another exit, even if there had been an exit that Erika had overlooked. "Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left." Furthermore, there is the red that "I proclaim that the chain lock has been repaired by the duct tape seal and has regained its original functionality. And, thanks to that, I locked the room upon entering it and made this guest room a closed room from the inside once more.". This means that after Erika entered the room, repairing the chain lock caused the room to become a closed room once more. Which means that even if there had been an extra entrance which she had for some reason also broken the seal of when she entered, it must have been fixed again after she entered. So, in short, there was only one exit, there was no exit which could have been hidden from Erika, the room became a closed room again after Erika repaired the chain lock, and even if there had been another way out, we know that Kanon never used it. Last edited by GoldenLand; 2014-11-03 at 13:25. |
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Ok, I just saw that you edited your previous comment.
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And she also appeared in the end before 24:00, and Maria recognized her as Beatrice. Protrait changing Beatrice's looks from game to game is foreshadowing that there are multiple Beatrices. not to mention meta scenes where literally two Beatrice's walk and talk with each other. Did you actually read what I wrote there? Because I wrote exactly that. He is the only one on the island who meets all requirements. And the requirements are 1. Being able to be invited to their room. 2. Stay in their room while Hideyoshi goes to shower. 3. Have enough physical strength and skill to kill 2 people with one hit of icepick to the forehead. Quote:
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For the longer answer I'll need some time. Last edited by eX_ploit; 2014-11-03 at 13:52. |
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