2014-10-01, 22:46 | Link #34821 |
Princess or Plunderer?
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Some Filipino participants have compared the experience of Occupy Central with the EDSA People Power Revolution of 1986. On one hand, I couldn't see the comparison because the governments of China and Hongkong hasn't even trampled on the rights of the people to start and even some pro-democracy groups based in HK don't agree to the movement. However, I'm a bit pleased that there hasn't been any major casualties from either side. The moment someone gets killed, all hell will certainly break loose in Hongkong.
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2014-10-02, 01:14 | Link #34822 |
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China is Hong Kong’s future – not its enemy
What disturbs me is that this is endorsed by my Manpower Minister, the joker who is singlehandedly responsible for stagnant wages and over-reliance of foreign labour in my country. So when will we be annexed to China? P.S : The author used to be an editor for the Communist Party of Great Britain's journal.
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2014-10-02, 04:42 | Link #34823 |
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Briefly read the article SaintessHeart posted, and I can say that I felt the author got it wrong, at least for myself. This protest is not about fearing Hong Kong being marginalized or left behind while other Chinese cities are growing faster than Hong Kong. It's about fearing China further extending its influence and interference in Hong Kong's affairs. It's about holding China accountable for what it promised, and it's about making sure that China doesn't get away with defining democracy in the "Chinese" way (which is to say, sham democracy). And you can bet that the only reason the Chinese government promised democracy for Hong Kong prior to the handover was to get the support of the local people - otherwise who would have been crazy enough to accept returning to a communist government who had just fired upon its citizens?
And yeah, right, the Chinese government has been "overwhelmingly honouring" its commitment to the one country, two systems - I LOLed at that part. To be fair, from 1997 to 2003, it did try its best not to meddle in Hong Kong's affairs - I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for this period. But after half a million went to the streets in 2003 to protest against the first chief executive, China realized that it had to take a more "active" approach towards Hong Kong, so what has happened is that as China's economic influence is growing, the Chinese government has started to slowly erode Hong Kong's system, thinking that her economic clout can be enough to make Hong Kong people accept the harsh reality. This protest is about telling China that we are going to make a stand. |
2014-10-02, 05:43 | Link #34824 | ||
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Hong Kong protests, as seen by Chinese mainlanders
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2014-10-02, 07:33 | Link #34825 |
Logician and Romantic
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The Chinese scholar is comparing the Chinese government to the BRITISH EMPIRE?
Is that how far back he had to go to make the Communist Party look progressive? Why don't he accuse USA of slavery while he is at it, to make the China human rights record look nicer?
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2014-10-02, 09:47 | Link #34826 |
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And now hackers join in the fray....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFO0h...&feature=share To be honest, I just feel amused more than anything else. I haven't heard of them before, but it seems previously they had declared cyberwar on ISIS - though I wonder how much ISIS relies on the internet.... Edit: Latest news is the Chief Executive has just announced it's going to ask the Chief Secretary for Administration (who is still considered to be popular/acceptable amongst protesters) to be the representative of the government to hold talks on political reform with the student leaders of the protest. Well, hopefully this would defuse the tension tonight where the protesters are surrounding the Chief Executive's office and the police are in a stand-off with them. Though I doubt anything meaningful will come out of the talks as the Chief Executive has said right off the bat that any election method would have to concur with the earlier decision of the Chinese National People's Congress (which protesters are demanding to be revoked). Last edited by LoveYouSaber; 2014-10-02 at 11:04. Reason: Latest news update |
2014-10-02, 15:58 | Link #34827 |
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Don't use the name "Occupy Central" for the current crisis. It should be "Umbrella Revolution" instead. As the activity are done by individuals who don't belong to any party or within politicians. The term Occupy Central is already over when the original organizers (there are 3 of them) pretty much hiding and then suddenly came back and try to reap benefits from these individuals.
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2014-10-03, 03:19 | Link #34828 |
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Malware program targets Hong Kong protesters using Apple devices
There seem to be one for Android as well, but only those jailbroken phones are in danger. In other news: Ebola crisis: Liberia 'to prosecute man in US hospital' The first US diagnosed patient is to be charged, (good luck getting him back btw) Not sure if this is a good approach to take, might be that Liberia wants to make an example of him for the offense. |
2014-10-03, 10:53 | Link #34829 | |
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2014-10-03, 11:17 | Link #34830 |
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29477731
Kind of what I feared - the government standing there while setting the crowd against other crowds in an attempt to portray the whole protest movement as ugly and disorderly. In fact, most of us believe that the people hurting the protesters and pulling down the tents were paid to do so, probably by groups backed by Beijing, to do so - though to be fair, I stress that there's no evidence yet of their connections, and I wish we could unearth that. |
2014-10-03, 11:47 | Link #34831 | |
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2014-10-03, 13:52 | Link #34832 | |
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But if anything, these anti-protesters have made things worse. For one, students have now said they are NOT going to hold talks with the government since they deem the government and police had not done their part in protecting a peaceful demonstration. Secondly, the violence employed by these anti-protesters have again made people who support the protests angry - I certainly am most tempted to go back to the streets to protest in the coming days, if only to show that we are not going to be cowered by violence. Edit: Another possibility could be that these anti-protesters are triad members. I may be jumping the gun a bit by saying these anti-protesters are organised or paid by pro-Beijing groups - but I do think that it's organised, pre-medicated and not an outburst of anger from those affected by the protests. And conveniently for the police, after the police step in to intervene in the scuffles, they also try to disperse the original protesters. Last edited by LoveYouSaber; 2014-10-03 at 14:08. Reason: Added some extra reflections |
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2014-10-03, 15:07 | Link #34833 | |||
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Back when economy being prosperous do they feel rich at all? Many people are ended up working 10-14 hours each day. During any typhoon days, if it's T8 at morning and then become T3 in the morning by 10 am Hong Kongers still need to work. Hard working in Hong Kong never pay off. During the time when "Freedom Walk" (自由行to be exact but I don't know the English name of it) become a thing in Hong Kong rent in stores greatly increased for Mainland China tourists. Causeway Bay suffered the most. The amount of Chinese pharmacy stores are like everywhere in Mong Kok and Tsum Sha Tsui. 領滙 (The Link in English) really like to increase rent to ridiculous values just so there are more chains such as ParknShop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ParknShop), McDonalds (Hong Kongers kind of liked it since McDonalds in HK is very likely the cheapest in the world, but they increase price of a meal in a very secret way which pissed off some customers). Ok, so you closed down your store and move to somewhere else and exact same thing happens. Is this infinite loop fun for you? Yet Hong Kongers mindset believe making a noise is a bad idea as you will get this kind of response. Quote:
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2014-10-04, 11:01 | Link #34834 | |
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http://www.vox.com/2014/9/28/6857567...-its-3-percent I'll have to blame the HK tycoons causing this much trouble and remembered one tycoon guy running from China's anti-corruption campaign. http://english.cntv.cn/2014/10/03/VI...39774534.shtml |
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2014-10-04, 12:08 | Link #34835 |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
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The protests will run out of steam. But the damage caused may be irreversible.
"Die with me" is the name of the game. When Beijing is done sucking what it needs from HK, it will just be an empty husk. The youngsters know that and hey have nothing to lose. |
2014-10-04, 18:27 | Link #34836 | |
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2014-10-04, 18:56 | Link #34837 | |
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TL for those who can't read Chinese : Blue Plastic Bag Action Golden Edge (?) , Bronze Bend (?) Gathering (Protest) - $200 Golden Plaza Gathering -$300 Bonus Tearing down of tents : $500 Effective stopping of protests : $1000 Interested, please call Mr Lee @ 68254092.
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2014-10-04, 20:37 | Link #34839 | |
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Also this has been going around for some time. http://www.enews163.com/2014/09/18/h...ike-63376.html http://imgur.com/a9BCbXx,i9UkpCe,BMWP01D#0 |
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2014-10-04, 20:55 | Link #34840 |
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Haven't seen that confirmed with other news sources so far...
---- Also, a complete monster event done by a far-right Israeli activist: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29460035
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