[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 7 Requiem of the golden witch

[AuraTwilight]

Spoiler:

Well you got it wrong. It was actually Beatrice not Yasu. Well i interpret that scene as the time that yasu killed the illusion of the witch Beatrice. Beatrice was just a character and the actor was Yasu so its possible that she did kill Beatrice. Also its possible that Yasu was still alive just like what happened to Battler

Spoiler:

She DROWNED HERSELF. Whether or not she's wearing a costume and a wig, the person wearign that costume deliberately attempted to make themselves no longer alive. Yasu is suicidal in that scene, regardless of her character. Infact, she's not even speaking in-character, there. It doesn't matter if she's alive or not, either, because Yasu TRIED to die.

[unsuspectingvisitor]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Spoiler:

She DROWNED HERSELF. Whether or not she's wearing a costume and a wig, the person wearign that costume deliberately attempted to make themselves no longer alive. Yasu is suicidal in that scene, regardless of her character. Infact, she's not even speaking in-character, there. It doesn't matter if she's alive or not, either, because Yasu TRIED to die.

Spoiler for :

[ Your right, She was portrayed as suicidal in the games sometime in a form of lovers suicide. But still if there's a possibility that yasu was still alive then the person that lives with Battler might be Yasu.

Off topic question but somehow connected. i think this is one important question about umineko. Who is Meta-Battler's enemy in Ep1-4? and Why did Beatrice reacted that way to Battler in Ep4?

[AuraTwilight]

Meta-Battler's enemy is Beatrice. And "what way" are you referring to? You mean when Beatrice got upset with him and tried to stop the Game?

[unsuspectingvisitor]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Meta-Battler's enemy is Beatrice. And "what way" are you referring to? You mean when Beatrice got upset with him and tried to stop the Game?

yeah the part When Beatrice got angry at battler. Well Meta-Beatrice seems like the Author Ikuko since she can stop the game anytime and To me the Meta world was just the fantasy counterpart of Reality in Umineko.

So.. i'll change the question, why would the Author reacted that way to Battler even though she wasn't Yasu or Shannon?

[AuraTwilight]

Meta-Beatrice isn't the Author Ikuko. If she's anything, she's the memory of Beatrice/Yasu inside Toya's mind. She can stop the story because she's the Gamemaster.

[ErenselTheJester]

Originally Posted by unsuspectingvisitor

yeah the part When Beatrice got angry at battler. Well Meta-Beatrice seems like the Author Ikuko since she can stop the game anytime and To me the Meta world was just the fantasy counterpart of Reality in Umineko.

So.. i'll change the question, why would the Author reacted that way to Battler even though she wasn't Yasu or Shannon?

It wasn't the Author who reacted, Battler (Tohya) had came to the realization that he wasn't Asumu's son, probably through some flashback or maybe he found documents containing his birth?

[unsuspectingvisitor]

Originally Posted by ErenselTheJester

It wasn't the Author who reacted, Battler (Tohya) had came to the realization that he wasn't Asumu's son, probably through some flashback or maybe he found documents containing his birth?

Well basically Beatrice is the one that reacted first not Battler. Remember when Beatrice test Battler in Ep4? Beatrice was angry for some reason. Then She revealed to Battler that Asumu isn't his real mother throught the use of red truth.

[AuraTwilight]

It doesn't change the strong implication that Meta-Beatrice is a product of Battler's mind, meaning that he found out about it on his own one way or another.

[ErenselTheJester]

I wouldn't think of her as a product of Battler's mind, I think she is just a fictional interpretation of Ikuko in the world (in regards to helping Battler with his memories) and plays the role of the Beatrice in the game.

[AuraTwilight]

It's possible; she's one of the two, atleast, and not literally Yasu of 1986. I lend credit to the "memory of Beato" idea, since he doesn't know she's Beatrice, they don't seem to argue like they hate each other, Ikuko doesn't seem like she abandons Toya at any point, etc.

[Silverkun]

Just wanted to say, now that I've finally finished reading the first 7 fully translated novels, that you guys are awesome and should be extremely proud of yourselves, and that I have enjoyed reading this more than I can express.
[EDIT: The above was obviously directed at Witch Hunt... And then it got moved here. *sigh* But I won't complain.]

Favorite character is totally Kyrie at the moment, and anyone else who's reached this point would know exactly why that is, I don't even need to say anything.

Least favorite character is George, and that's for the sole reason that

Spoiler for EP7:

he hid Battler's letter from Yasu.

After all, Yasu is my overall #1 favorite character; I just happen to be obsessed with how amazing Kyrie was in her big scene at the moment. That will probably fade after a time, but she'll surely always stay somewhere within my top 5, even after Yasu reclaims the #1 spot.

[Steven77]

What are we to make of the "truth" told to us (where Kyrie/Rudolf are the culprits) shown to use in Ep. 7?
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Bernkastel (in red): "This is all truth--"
Ange: "Noooooooooooooooo... "

Ange's yell covered up Bern's red truth.
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Then, when you back scroll you can't see the part where Bern said "This is all truth--" so is it a red truth or not? I mean if it is... then how can we deny the story we were shown which has Rudolf and Kyrie especially being crazy evil?

[AuraTwilight]

Bernkastel's sentence wasn't completed. It could mean anything, such as "This is all truth...in this alternate universe" or "This is all truth in Eva's mind" or something.

[Witch of Uncertainty]

This may not be the thread for this, but I got curious?

Spoiler for Ep7:

Are you sure he hid it from Yasu? I can't remember anything about that. Didn't Battler simply forget?

[AuraTwilight]

It can be either way. It depends on who you decide to trust.

[Judoh]

It's not the place for it yeah, but it's easy to answer. I don't even need spoiler tags. It's a theory, and it's implied a little bit, but it's not proven, rest easy.

lol ninja'd

[Steven77]

I see, good interpretation. I mean, I doubt the author would have that ending be what "really" happened. But do we assume that Bern was bluffing knowing Ange would cut her off mid-sentence? A bit of a stretch but I guess she could've said something like you suggested.

Silly Ange, let her finish!

[AuraTwilight]

If it helps,

Spoiler for EP8:

Bern outright clarifies that the red she was speaking was "This is the truth...'s worst case scenario" and she was indeed waiting for Ange to cut her off. Her purpose was to prepare Ange to search for the truth with the strength to bear the worst possible answer; Ange cutting her off proved that she wasn't ready yet, since she only wanted a "convenient" truth.

[Drifloon]

Spoiler for Ep 7:

That seems kind of silly. From Battler's reaction in Ep4 it seems a lot more likely that he just genuinely forgot about it.

[RoW]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

Bernkastel's sentence wasn't completed. It could mean anything, such as "This is all truth...in this alternate universe" or "This is all truth in Eva's mind" or something.

Bernkastel is just playing with Ange, she wants give a little hope. But Aurora guaranteed what content of Eva’s diary is an absolute truth. Ryuu didn’t show a content of Eva’s diary, but after Ange’s suicidal reaction I have no doubts about real murderers.