Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) - Manga discussion

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

That is my whole point. There's just so little Levi knows to try something like that by himself. Feeding Zeke to a titan certainly is a possibility. Just killing Zeke is also possibility, especially if, as you said, there's a chance that you can't feed Zeke to a titan (though that means the titan power would be transferred to a random Eldian).

But if he was sure about either solution he would have already done it.

You can probably feed him to a Titan that wasn't made from his bodily fluids. At least, it sounds safer than to a Titan you know he can control. Just killing him is too dangerous, because there's no telling who would get the Beast Titan. It might be one of those Marleyan Eldians.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It might be one of those Marleyan Eldians.

It would probably also take a while for them to realize it. It took five years for Eren, and who knows how many more would have passed if he wasn't eaten alive by a titan.

[The Small One]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

You can probably feed him to a Titan that wasn't made from his bodily fluids. At least, it sounds safer than to a Titan you know he can control. Just killing him is too dangerous, because there's no telling who would get the Beast Titan. It might be one of those Marleyan Eldians.

The other thing is, that the power would get to a newborn. So it would take at least 10 years or so, until it could be used again.
On the other hand, Zeke isn't really important for his beast titan, but because of his royal blood. The beast titan power isn't something they really need at the moment.

[MK-95-]

After reading chapter 114, consider my brain fried... Remember how I've theorized about and defended Zeke in some of my older posts by saying that he's looking out for Eldia in his own way? Well the supposed "solution" that he arrived at, is quite fucked up in its entirety.

Spoiler for Chapter 114:

In a nutshell, to him, "saving" Eldia means making every Eldian sterile and forcing their extinction as a result. How is that "saving" the Eldians in any way? His reasoning is beyond flawed and it's next to impossible for us to come up with any plausible excuses that justify his intentions.

He's no doubt a tragic character and we now know that he really did betray his parents because they left him no choice. So at the very least, he was telling the truth back when he revealed that little fact. With having said that, after reading the chapter I can confirm that within his mind, Zeke truly does care for Eldia in his own twisted/morbid way. (His "care" is something the Eldians can do without tbh )

Zeke aside, the biggest takeaway from this chapter is that the Coordinate Titan's powers aren't just limited to memory manipulation, but can affect the subjects of Ymir on a cellular level. Now I wonder how Eren's going to put that to use when it comes to freeing the Eldians?

[TommyG]

I doubt that killed Levi, but from the illustration of him flying off he's clearly bleeding and it looks to me like he's missing his right arm.

[Jan-Poo]

Spoiler for chapter114:

I've got to say that between unleashing destruction to the whole world by awakening the colossal titans and causing the Eldian's slow extinction through sterilization the latter sounds decidedly the less crazy plan to me.

That being said while Zeke's plan in its conception tries to avoid going for the more direct and quicker solution of genocide, he sure has killed many Eldians without any sign of remorse.

Now, I can understand his thoughts, after all even if by some miracle Eldia and the world were to made peace, the curse of the titans will never stop. Some people will have to take the burden of the nine titans and have their lives shortened as a result. They will need to get eaten alive unless they want to subject a random baby to that fate. The only way to make this tragedy stop is to extinguish the Eldian lineage, but the price is quite high.

I wonder though, if this was possible, why didn't the Kings of the past years do that? It seems they came to believe that the Eldian powers were ultimately wrong and decided to take their people secluded from the rest of the world. Even though they should have known that sooner or later the world would have knocked at their door, especially with Marley having control over the majority of the nine titans. On that perspective what the Kings did was just to stall for the inevitable. It would have made more sense to either fight or go with Zeke's plan.

And on that note, what is Eren's objective? Unless he completely changed due to his memories I seriously doubt he actually shares Zeke's objective.

[Kanon]

Zeke's backstory was quite disappointing. Only thing interesting in it was the reveal of the other ability the Founding Titan has, which is key to Zeke's plan and mostly likely will be used differently by Eren. If Zeke really thinks Eren shares his views, he's fooling himself.

As a side note, it was confirmed that Levi still intended to feed Zeke to a titan.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by MK-95-

After reading chapter 114, consider my brain fried... Remember how I've theorized about and defended Zeke in some of my older posts by saying that he's looking out for Eldia in his own way? Well the supposed "solution" that he arrived at, is quite fucked up in its entirety.

Spoiler for Chapter 114:

In a nutshell, to him, "saving" Eldia means making every Eldian sterile and forcing their extinction as a result. How is that "saving" the Eldians in any way? His reasoning is beyond flawed and it's next to impossible for us to come up with any plausible excuses that justify his intentions.

In Zeke's mind, he is saving Eldians by preventing future generations of them from being born into a cruel world. To Zeke, Eldians have no real future because of the cruelty of the world around them, his childhood with Grisha and time with Xaiver showed him that. Death is the only salvation from the world in his eyes, so it is better for his people to go out with a silent whimper.

I'm pretty sure Eren isn't on board with this. As much as he changed, he still seems to hold on to his "fight, fight, fight" philosophy, so going out like that goes against everything Eren believes in. I'm now more sure he is simply using Zeke. I also doubt Zeke's followers know what he really has planned.

I have to wonder if the Founding Titan can really do what Zeke thinks it can. If it could just sterilize everyone or even erase the curse of Ymir, I have to wonder why King Fritz didn't just do that.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

I'm pretty sure Eren isn't on board with this. As much as he changed, he still seems to hold on to his "fight, fight, fight" philosophy, so going out like that goes against everything Eren believes in.

That would be totally unlike the Eren we know for sure, though in a sense that would be the only way to fulfill his promise to eliminate every single titan.

[MK-95-]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

In Zeke's mind, he is saving Eldians by preventing future generations of them from being born into a cruel world. To Zeke, Eldians have no real future because of the cruelty of the world around them, his childhood with Grisha and time with Xaiver showed him that. Death is the only salvation from the world in his eyes, so it is better for his people to go out with a silent whimper.

I'm pretty sure Eren isn't on board with this. As much as he changed, he still seems to hold on to his "fight, fight, fight" philosophy, so going out like that goes against everything Eren believes in. I'm now more sure he is simply using Zeke. I also doubt Zeke's followers know what he really has planned.

I have to wonder if the Founding Titan can really do what Zeke thinks it can. If it could just sterilize everyone or even erase the curse of Ymir, I have to wonder why King Fritz didn't just do that.

I'm quite aware that Eren doesn't share Zeke's mindset. After all, that plan completely contradicts his actions up till now.

When I asked the question, I meant something along the lines of what are Eren's specific plans involving that ability? There's no doubt that he'll definitely reject the euthanasia of Eldia plan (especially when we consider how much he hates living like "livestock". Being euthanized would be the cherry on top...), but I'm interested in knowing what ideas he has or how creatively he can take advantage of the ability.

[The Small One]

Interessting backstory. Zeke's plan makes sense in some kind of way.

The information about the power of the coordinate isn't really new, though now it's kinda confirmed.

What exactly did Zeke try at the end? Did he try to transform, without beeing completely healed? Do we know yet, what side effects come with this?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Interessting backstory. Zeke's plan makes sense in some kind of way.

The information about the power of the coordinate isn't really new, though now it's kinda confirmed.

What exactly did Zeke try at the end? Did he try to transform, without beeing completely healed? Do we know yet, what side effects come with this?

You need to hurt yourself to transform. That's what he did by aggravating his wound after his legs healed enough for him to do that. (Why he didn't just bite his tongue, or why Levi didn't take steps to prevent that, I don't know.)

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by The Small One

What exactly did Zeke try at the end? Did he try to transform, without beeing completely healed? Do we know yet, what side effects come with this?

It took me a while to understand what he did, but if you look closely he basically activated the device that Levi set up to prevent him from moving.

The cord around his neck is tied to the thunder spear lodged in his body, and in the second-to-last panel you see that it detached due to Zeke's deliberate movement.
The explosion you see in the last panel is not the result of his titan power activating but the explosive in the thunder spear going off.

If you look closely the explosion split Zeke's body in half, the upper half is being thrown to the right (again hard to see, but look closely).


The problem is that Levi was close enough to get caught in the explosion. he's most likely still alive, but he might have suffered injuries, and if Zeke isn't dead he will recover faster than Levi.

[TURI123456]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

In Zeke's mind, he is saving Eldians by preventing future generations of them from being born into a cruel world. To Zeke, Eldians have no real future because of the cruelty of the world around them, his childhood with Grisha and time with Xaiver showed him that. Death is the only salvation from the world in his eyes, so it is better for his people to go out with a silent whimper.

I'm pretty sure Eren isn't on board with this. As much as he changed, he still seems to hold on to his "fight, fight, fight" philosophy, so going out like that goes against everything Eren believes in. I'm now more sure he is simply using Zeke. I also doubt Zeke's followers know what he really has planned.

I have to wonder if the Founding Titan can really do what Zeke thinks it can. If it could just sterilize everyone or even erase the curse of Ymir, I have to wonder why King Fritz didn't just do that.

About the Original Titan.
A. we need to remember of King Fritz probably wasn't a reasonable person.
B. right now it only a hypothesis and even if that true I don't think it something so simple to do.
C. I don't think the power of the Original Titan alone can change the 13 years of life maybe if someone gets together all the nine Titans power he can change the 13 years of life.

Originally Posted by MK-95-

I'm quite aware that Eren doesn't share Zeke's mindset. After all, that plan completely contradicts his actions up till now.

When I asked the question, I meant something along the lines of what are Eren's specific plans involving that ability? There's no doubt that he'll definitely reject the euthanasia of Eldia plan (especially when we consider how much he hates living like "livestock". Being euthanized would be the cherry on top...), but I'm interested in knowing what ideas he has or how creatively he can take advantage of the ability.

After this chapter, I think Eren purpose will be something like changing the feature of they Ymir people the one that allows them to change into Titans.


By the way now then Zeke die who will get the power of the Beats Titan? I think it may be Historia baby.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by TURI123456

By the way now then Zeke die who will get the power of the Beats Titan? I think it may be Historia baby.

Zeke isn't dead yet. He was just blown in half, Reiner survived worse than that.

[bastek66]

It seems early spoilers confirm that

Spoiler for spoilers for newest chapter:

Levi died

[Kanon]

The text being erased on the pic makes me suspicious, the guy who posted it may be trying to mislead us.

[Ka-el]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The text being erased on the pic makes me suspicious, the guy who posted it may be trying to mislead us.

Spoiler:

Even because it would be the most stupid death ever, dying by his own trap like a moron. And considering the distance and the fact that he is an Ackermann I doubt he is really dead. I bet that he is injured so now no one will be able to stop Eren on a one-on-one. Levi now will be out of the games for a bit (just like when he saved Mikasa injuring his leg) and then he will make an ultimate come back for the final battle.

[MK-95-]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The text being erased on the pic makes me suspicious, the guy who posted it may be trying to mislead us.

I agree with this because...

Spoiler:

Levi is far too prominent in this story to be killed off now, especially considering how close we're to the ending. At the very least, if he absolutely must die, then he's going to go out with a bang, not something like this where there wasn't anyone to witness his demise.

[Wandering Soul]

Chapter's out

Spoiler for 115:

Yeah, Levi definitely isn't dead. Floche didn't get to check for a pulse and Hange would have no reason to flee with a dead body

I'm now more sure than ever that Eren is manpluating Zeke. I'm also more curious about what he's up to and why his plan would require him to ask Gabi to work with him.

That entire sequence with Zeke getting put inside a titan and coming out healed was weird. Looks like that was one of PATH's abilities and that girl was most likely the original Ymir.