2009-10-05, 17:32 | Link #3562 | |
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2009-10-05, 18:08 | Link #3563 | |
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2009-10-05, 18:33 | Link #3565 | ||
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The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself! A different person cannot claim his name! I don't think that would change between games. Even more, Beato did say: The only one alive on this island is you. If Kanon was alive then that would screw the red truth. He is alone, unless someone who counts as "himself" was there with him. The idea came to me when I remembered an old anime from 1981 which had an episode with a similar plot. Lecherous guy and his friends locked in a strange mansion in an island. Everyone dying one after another according to the lyrics of a song, being the guy the last survivor. He went to face the last verse of the song and when he pointed his gun to the "culprit" he found himself. Boy, that really shocked me but gave me that idea. Can't deny that. But Ange or someone would have noticed. Amakusa wasn't familiar with the terrain. If what Wikipedia said was true, then false. Sorry but I don't know the guy I won't accept that someone among the 17 was a murderer. Maybe Eva, but if EP 3 was indeed Trolling Extraordinaire, the Eva who killed Battler might also be a lie. Whether it's Beato making his family look innocent to him or something else, I can't believe one of them is actually the culprit. Rosa is a nasty piece of work, but very, very, veeery deep in her heart I know she loves Maria. . |
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2009-10-05, 18:33 | Link #3566 | |
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Take note of the "on this island." It is possible that the killer found a way to temporarily leave the island and then returned to kill Battler. Last edited by Sute443; 2009-10-05 at 18:42. Reason: reply to Isekaijin |
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2009-10-05, 19:13 | Link #3567 | |
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You forgot that Beato also said Nothing outside the island can interfere. If what you say is true and Kanon killed Battler for whatever reasons, the moment he stepped out of the island he became unable to interfere with Battler's death, and if he was indeed on the island it would count as two people being on the island. Of course the most important thing here is the time of death of Battler, supossing he was really killed. If Battler "the piece" left the board after stabbing Beato with blue, then Kanon shouldn't have had enough time to kill him. I mean, if he truly left the island. And also the witch said In short, he was the 9th victim. If he truly killed his furniture complex, then why the word "victim"? Stating that he was the 9th victim only two things come to my mind. 1.- Everyone dead in the first twilight plus Jessica and George gave up their own names and "killed themselves as Ushiromiyas" Ridiculous, having seen the corpses. 2.- Everyone died. Also Kanon. And the fact that Kanon threw away his own name is... another Devil's Proof, dammit. Jessica, you'd better thank me, I'm racking my brains here to defend your furniture of a boyfriend. |
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2009-10-05, 20:03 | Link #3568 | |
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Wait, I don't remember, did we get confirmation in red that Battler died? If we didn't, then there's no need at all for Kanon to have killed Battler. Shannon recommended to Kanon that he create a second self that he could truly like while preserving his servant self for when he was working on the island. If he was able to differentiate the two of him well enough then it's conceivable that Beatrice could twist it into the "Furniture Kanon" being a victim. |
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2009-10-05, 20:13 | Link #3569 | |
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As you said No one from outside the island can interfere You are alone on this island You are the only one alive on this island I am not you I will kill you Mind the last sentence. Beatrice kills Battler, no one else but Beatrice.
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2009-10-05, 20:32 | Link #3571 |
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That's the same as accepting that witches exist! What you're saying is that Battler is completely alone in that island, If that were true in the whole sense of the word, nobody could have killed him! We could suppose that Beato did kill him, but isn't that the same as accepting all that crazy magical stuff that had been happening until now?
I'll add something Beato didn't say even for a while that she, the witch Beatrice was about to kill him. She was speaking as the representation of the true murderer of Rokkenjima. She only said "I" "I" is the Golden Witch Beatrice's true form, not the witch herself. But how would she kill him if he was all alone? And then he went missing Since she assured him in red that she would kill him we can't doubt his status, when the seagulls cry on the morning of October the 6th Ushiromiya Battler is dead... what a coincidence, it's tomorrow... My first blue. It felt really great. |
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i wonder, was suicide ever denied?
he could've remembered his sin and kill himself because of it. or suddenly get paranoid about the killer still beeing there and kill himself out of fear. or just get depressed about beeing the only one alive and kill himself. or about his angsty past, if he had one. if it was Beatrice who made him do it it may still count as her killing her? a half assed explanation, but it's possible. Quote:
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2009-10-05, 21:17 | Link #3573 | |
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Seriously, that riddle is confusing and there must be a play in words involved.
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2009-10-05, 21:21 | Link #3574 |
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Well it has been mentioned that Beato used 'watashi' instead of 'warawa'. Warawa is normally referencing as a higher being, sometimes myth character, but Watashi is considered a neutral phrase used by adults (Eva was complaining in her flashback about Krauss using 'watashi' instead of 'ore' in EP 3 I remember)
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2009-10-05, 22:26 | Link #3577 |
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Okay, I haven't finished Ep 4 yet, but I had a sudden thought that I really wanted to get some feedback on.
When Kasumi arrives at the airport on her way to Rokkenjima, she mentions the following: "Propeller planes sure do shake...... I wouldn't want to ride one again." I tried searching this thread but couldn't find anything regarding this. I know that this could just be a random remark, a red herring, or just a simple fact showing that Kasumi isn't used to such vehicles because of her lifestyle and status in society. But I can't shake the feeling that it is significant. My memory is poor, but does Kasumi actually refer to her sister by name? Or just "my sister"? It just seems to me that there is a relation between Kasumi, Asumu (similar name?) and Battler, given their aversion to shaky vehicle rides. |
2009-10-05, 22:31 | Link #3578 | |
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It could be a way to contrast between Kyrie and Kasumi though (since Kyrie doesn't seem to mind shakes or anything) or just a comment Kasumi made about the planes. It's not like everyone who mentions shakes is connected to Battler or Asumu. If I remember right Rudolf said in the beginning of EP 4, when they were all at Nijima airport, that Asumu would complain about riding any type of vehicle that wasn't a car. |
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2009-10-06, 02:30 | Link #3580 | |
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In other words, there is something on the island at that exact moment, which is separate from Battler and not a human, that is directly responsible for Battler's death. That seems to rule out pretty much everything except: 1) a previously-set trap, such as a bomb 2) a natural force, such as a landslide 3) a supernatural entity |
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