Persona 4 The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena

[Kurosu]

My heart is torn in twine, Aegis makes much more sense for the cover no? Isn't Aegis there instead of Labyrs in other promotional art? Why the change?

[Westlo]

Protagonist Vs Boss makes sense...

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Protagonist Vs Boss makes sense...

marketing a game based on P4 protag vs completely new character as opposed to P4 vs P3 is completely different.
Even though it isn't exactly the focus of the game's story, most of the promotional art for this game up until now has been Narukami vs Aegis.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

marketing a game based on P4 protag vs completely new character as opposed to P4 vs P3 is completely different.
Even though it isn't exactly the focus of the game's story, most of the promotional art for this game up until now has been Narukami vs Aegis.

Most of the art was Yuu vs Aegis because they were 2 of the first 4 characters revealed, while Labrys was the last apart from Elizabeth... Since all the characters are revealed there's no point going with a P4 Vs P3 theme when that's not the point of the game, but it was a way to market this initially.

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Most of the art was Yuu vs Aegis because they were 2 of the first 4 characters revealed, while Labrys was the last apart from Elizabeth... Since all the characters are revealed there's no point going with a P4 Vs P3 theme when that's not the point of the game, but it was a way to market this initially.

It's not wrong for Labyrs to be on the cover... Aegis is just the better pick.
A business is still a business, let alone a Japanese business.

[Kirito]

I wonder if this is the final product for the box art? Well considering that E3 is just around the corner maybe we'll see a new box art.

The art looks good in my opinion.

[Westlo]

It's the Japanese Box Art, no idea if it will stay the same for the American & Euro release.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Deikan

She already looks top tier in this game. One of her combos can take off half life, and her offensive pressure is scary as hell. I can see why she's becoming or already a popular character.

Kind of late to comment on this, because i don't hang around in this forum for fighting games.
If you meant that labrys has good mixups and is top tier, then you are wrong
Most of her normals look slow (including her overhead axe swing, but it does seem safe on block though), as others have said: her damage when her axe is not red/yellow is average, her Furious Action isn't that good because it comes out rather slow and it is easier baitable, she gets zoned out very easily.
Chie and Mitsuru on the other hand are top tier for now. I did say "for now" because there will be some kind of balancement patch released at the end of the month.

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by hyl

Kind of late to comment on this, because i don't hang around in this forum for fighting games.
If you meant that labrys has good mixups and is top tier, then you are wrong
Most of her normals look slow (including her overhead axe swing, but it does seem safe on block though), as others have said: her damage when her axe is not red/yellow is average, her Furious Action isn't that good because it comes out rather slow and it is easier baitable, she gets zoned out very easily.
Chie and Mitsuru on the other hand are top tier for now. I did say "for now" because there will be some kind of balancement patch released at the end of the month.

I was talking about Chie btw.

[Tokkan]

http://www.personaeurope.com/

Confirmed for PAL-lands (yeah, I know, it's an HD game, no PAL). Through Zen United no less.

[Kirito]

Here are a lists of buffs, nerfs, and changes to the game that Mayonaka Midnight forum have listed awhile ago. I don't know what some of them mean yet, but have a look and see for yourself. Looks like Akihiko Sanada got hit by the nerf hammer pretty bad.

Spoiler for List of Changes:

P4U 1.02 Patch Notes

So simple enough, just an on site resource people can look at to see all the translation notes.

+ Buff
- Nerf
= Neutral
? Unknown

System Changes

Pound Combo [5A repeatedly]: At the end of the match, the third hit of a renda combo will no longer grant a burst increase bonus
Skill Boost [EX]:Limits SP gauge increase, builds meter when used
Fear state: Can no longer throw escape while in Fear state.
Max Burst: Burst Gauge consumption changed from 68%→67% when used
SP-consuming techniques: When a SP-consuming move is used as the first hit of a combo, the SP gauge increase limit continues during the combo
Mini-jump: Cannot cancel with Skills, etc. during the beginning of a mini-jump


Character Changes

Yu Narukami

+ j.2A: Added a P Combo (chain combo) route to Jump D
+ j.D: Yu’s descent timing is faster
- 2B: Hitbox has been adjusted; recovery time is increased slightly
? Ziodyne [236236C or D] (D version): Screen freeze timing is now the same as the C version; freeze time is increased


Yosuke Hanamura

? 5A: Hittable box has been adjusted
? 2A: Hittable box has been adjusted
- Sweep [2A+B]: Recovery time has been increased
+ (During Sukukaja) 5B, 5C, 2C, j.C: Can now be jump-cancelled


Chie Satonaka

- 5B: Fatal Counter property removed
- Skull Cracker [During Rampage, 236A or B] (SB version): Pushback on the second hit is larger
+ All Skills and SP Skills: All are Fatal Counter moves during Charge
+ Hyper Counter [B+D, Air OK]: The attack damage boost during Charge applies
? God Hand [236236C or D]: The scaling on the first hit has been strengthened.
- God Hand [236236C or D]: Chie incurs counter-hit state until the end of the move


Yukiko Amagi

? 2B: Total number of frames reduced
+ Pound Combo, 2nd hit: Start-up speed is faster
? Maragi [236C or D] (SB version): The attack start-up and Persona recovery time are now the same as the D version


Kanji Tatsumi

+ 5B: On ground hit and on guard, there is no pushback; pulls the opponent closer on counter-hit
+ j.A: Hitbox has been strengthened
+ Ground throw: Easier to use during dash inertia; damage increased
- Shuddap! [B+D]: Attack active frames decreased; recovery time increased
= Gotcha! [236C or D] (C version): Faces the opponent when done while crossing over
+ Gotcha! [236C or D] (D version): Persona is invincible during standby
+ Tatsumi-Style Peacemaking[236236A or B]: The falling chair after the attack builds SP Gauge on hit or on guard


Kuma (Teddie)

= All D attacks (Dr. Pepper NEO): SP build amount is doubled
+ All D attacks (Denden Taiko): Now increases SP Gauge on hit or guard (originally did not)
- All D attacks (Mystery Food X): No longer builds SP


Naoto Shirogane

= Fate Counter: At the beginning of the round, recovery speed is increased
? Shield of Justice [B+D]: When catching an attack, the hit stop forced on the opponent is based on the respective move’s hitstop.
+ Megido [214C or D] (C version): Untechable time greatly increased.
- Megido [214C or D] (C version): Same-attack scaling is strengthened
- Megido [214C or D] (D Version): Guard stun slightly decreased; bug which caused the explosion part of the move to disappear until it hit the opponent is fixed
+ Rifle: Rank 1[236236A, Air OK]: Length of the silence effect on hit is increased
+ Rifle: Rank 2[236236B, Air OK]: Length of the fear effect on hit is increased
+ Hamaon, Mudoon [236236C/D]: When the Unmei Counter is at 0, the opponent does not build Burst gauge on hit; when the Unmei Counter is at 0, The time count stops on hit


Mitsuru Kirijo

+ 2B: Invincibility against jump attacks starts up faster
+ 2D: Hitbox size is increased
- j.A: Hittable box has been adjusted; untechable time on counter-hit has been decreased
- Coup Droit [[4]6A or B] (A version): Mitsuru incurs counter-hit damage until the end of the move
+ Setsuna Samidare Geki [236236A or B]: Attack start-up speed is faster
? Bufudyne [236236C or D]: Hitbox has been adjusted
+ Mabufudyne [214214C or D]: The delayed start-up frames when the Persona is off-screen have been decreased; the range where the Persona will not warp is wider


Akihiko Sanada

- Infinite Block String has been removed
- 5B: Same-attack scaling has been increased slightly
- j.B: Same-attack scaling has been increased slightly
- j.C: Recovery time and landing recovery have been increased.
+ j.C: The air reset on counter-hit is higher (larger ground bounce on CH basically)
+ All D attacks: Pull airborne opponents closer
- Weaving [214C or D; (After Kill Rush) 4C or D] (C version): Lv0 Corkscrew and other follow-up attacks will not come out
+ Sweep [2A+B] after follow-up to all Skills: Start-up is faster, now low state from the beginning of the move
+ Thunder Fist [236236C or D]: Causes paralysis when blocked
+ Earth Breaker [222C+D]: Pulls in airborne opponents


Aigis

+ Mode Change [22A or B] (B Version): When cancelling Orgia mode, the Orgia gauge builds slightly
+ Great Shield of the Goddess [236236C or D] (C Version): Aigis’s pushbox has been removed during the forward charge
- Isan Kaihou Heiki Palladion [222C+D]: Instant Kill Technique can longer be used in a combo


Elizabeth

= Icon: Icon position has been adjusted
+ Agidyne [214C or D] (C, D version): Elizabeth’s recovery time is shorter
+ Memento Mori [214214C or D]: Lowest guaranteed damage is now 50%


Labrys

= Icon: Icon position has been adjusted
- Axe Level: Axe Level does not increase at the end of a round
+ Goshiki Slash Axe [B+D]: Can now be charged by holding B+D before the attack; at maximum charge, the move forces counter-hit , causes a wall bound
+ Guillotine Axe [214A or B]: Counter hit state during recovery has been removed
+ String Arts "Tsurugi" [22A or B or C or D] (B, C, D version): Labrys’s total recovery is now the same as the A version
+ String Arts "Moujuu" [214214C or D]: Attack start-up is faster


Shadow Labrys

+ Guillotine Axe [214A or B]: Counter hit state during recovery has been removed
+ Goshiki Slash Axe [B+D]: Attack start-up is faster
+ Brutal Impact [214214A or B] (A Version): Attack start-up is faster; recovery time is shorter

[Meltyred]

Akihiko:
Infinite Blockstring.
Wut.

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by Meltyred

Akihiko:
Infinite Blockstring.
Wut.

That's been nerfed, it practically means that his pressure game isn't as ten times threatening as it is now. He's still a scary rushdown character.

[Von Himmel]

So...is Chie still pretty much high tier with the current patch?

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by Von Himmel

So...is Chie still pretty much high tier with the current patch?

She's still top tier in my opinion, but some of the properties of her moves have changed. She got nerfed, but not that bad, you just have to be more careful in how you use her certain moves, and be smart with your offensive pressure.

I'm sure this video has all your answers:

[Kyero Fox]

is this game gonna be like Blazblue and MvC where the goal is to come up with a unexcapeable combo and spam it?

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

is this game gonna be like Blazblue and MvC where the goal is to come up with a Inescapable combo and spam it?

That's Aksys Games for you. Their game mechanics include combos that can bring you down to half life or near death. I think that when the game gets more time to grow I'm sure there will be more variety in combos and none continuous spam.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by Kirito

That's Aksys Games for you. Their game mechanics include combos that can bring you down to half life or near death. I think that when the game gets more time to grow I'm sure there will be more variety in combos and none continuous spam.

Well it's not worse than marvel vs capcom 3 and ultimate mvc3 though. You can easily kill 1 character with just 1 combo or in some cases you can kill multiple characters at the same time if they get caught during assists. Let's not forget the broken "x-factor" comeback mechanic and other nonsense that can easily turn the tide of the matches. Atleast it's not as broken as mvc2 was, with all of it's infinite combo's and ridicious chip damage.

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by hyl

Well it's not worse than marvel vs capcom 3 and ultimate mvc3 though. You can easily kill 1 character with just 1 combo or in some cases you can kill multiple characters at the same time if they get caught during assists. Let's not forget the broken "x-factor" comeback mechanic and other nonsense that can easily turn the tide of the matches. Atleast it's not as broken as mvc2 was, with all of it's infinite combo's and ridicious chip damage.

Agreed, most Aksys Work games take skill and dedication to pull off creative and interesting things, and some of their games you can't die from chip, and the burst mechanic really evens things out to an extent. Also this Persona game in my eyes is looking like a balanced, fun, creative fighter. It's totally getting pre-ordered.

[FlareKnight]

Nice news for those interested.

Atlus' twitter revealing that Arena will have both English and Japanese voice tracks available. So whatever everyone's preference is they will be able to pick and choose .

Also here's the E3 trailer for the game:

Edit: And of course they send an email moments later also revealing that information .