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Akashin · 2016-03-06, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Fairy Water

Yesterday I had to stayed up late for a homework. And it feels super refreshing to read the new chapter.

Really, all the flashback and reactions Kaneki has with Arima are simply interesting! I like Arima more now! Let's thrust through his eyes again and transform him into Haise again! XD

I thought this chapter revealed that Kaneki's amnesia was self-inflicted, honestly. He still had his memories after being thrown behind bars after all, and it was only after the psychological torture he suffered there that he lost them. Arima had at least some kind of a hand in that torture and in the reshaping of Kaneki that came after, but he wasn't responsible for Kaneki's amnesia.

Though that strikes me as a bit weird, because you'd think that the emphasis on Kaneki 'going to sleep' at the end of his fight with Arima and 'waking up' when he got his memories back would imply that he lost them at that moment.

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Originally Posted by Raviel

I wonder if this is the part of the manga where Kaneki will actually end up killing another human being.

Whether it is or not, I'd be very surprised if Kaneki still has any significant aversion to doing so. And there's always the possibility that he assumes that he has Hide's blood on his hands, too, depending if he still thinks that was an acid trip or not.

Wandering Soul · 2016-03-07, 16:12

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Originally Posted by DragonXX

Do you think that Kaneki have the power to beat Arima?

It isn't clear who would win, but if they did fight again I doubt it would be the curb stomp it was the first time.

Fairy Water · 2016-03-07, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Akashin

I thought this chapter revealed that Kaneki's amnesia was self-inflicted, honestly. He still had his memories after being thrown behind bars after all, and it was only after the psychological torture he suffered there that he lost them. Arima had at least some kind of a hand in that torture and in the reshaping of Kaneki that came after, but he wasn't responsible for Kaneki's amnesia.

Though that strikes me as a bit weird, because you'd think that the emphasis on Kaneki 'going to sleep' at the end of his fight with Arima and 'waking up' when he got his memories back would imply that he lost them at that moment.

Edit because I somehow missed this post:

Whether it is or not, I'd be very surprised if Kaneki still has any significant aversion to doing so. And there's always the possibility that he assumes that he has Hide's blood on his hands, too, depending if he still thinks that was an acid trip or not.

oh yeah, now you talk about it. At first we all thought CCG might have done some brain wash but it turns out they didn't do anything.

Arima maybe and maybe not under order of V to look after Kaneki at that time. But when I think about it, it's kind of unsual for such busy high-class inspector to visit the prison regularly. Their relationships as fake father-son, mentor-student and doves-ghoul r indeed hilarious

I mean both know the friendliness is fake but they r so used to it that somewhere on the way it turns out to be true.

I remember some side stories about Arima wanted to return book to Haise a lot of time even when he is busy or when he climbed on the table and Haise happily copy in the middle of a meeting. With these memories, it must be hard for Kaneki to decide to quit CCG. If Minami didn't get captured, would Kaneki continue to stay with them, I wonder?

At least he has a place where he belong to now. I just can't see him walking back to Touka's cafe shop and asks to stay with them...

Cosmic Eagle · 2016-03-07, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Fairy Water

Let's thrust through his eyes again XD

Yeah.....sure..... <__<

Hk1117 · 2016-03-09, 03:32

WTH Kaneki, going manic again?

Also, the question returns, "Who is the One-Eyed King?", huh.

I suppose it's Arima now?

Akashin · 2016-03-09, 07:12

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Originally Posted by Hk1117

WTH Kaneki, going manic again?

Also, the question returns, "Who is the One-Eyed King?", huh.

I suppose it's Arima now?

That crossed my mind because of the whole blind spot thing he had with Shachi (could be deliberately screwing with his own eye or something), but then, why would he assert his belief that Eto is the OEK to V in that case? You'd think that if he is the OEK he wouldn't have been able to hide that from them; he'd have needed them to get the scanners to permit him, so they'd know by that alone.

Plus, Eto's cryptic request that Kaneki kill the OEK loses a bit of its impact if that's what he's on his way to do anyway.

Hk1117 · 2016-03-10, 02:20

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Originally Posted by Akashin

That crossed my mind because of the whole blind spot thing he had with Shachi (could be deliberately screwing with his own eye or something), but then, why would he assert his belief that Eto is the OEK to V in that case? You'd think that if he is the OEK he wouldn't have been able to hide that from them; he'd have needed them to get the scanners to permit him, so they'd know by that alone.

Plus, Eto's cryptic request that Kaneki kill the OEK loses a bit of its impact if that's what he's on his way to do anyway.

Then perhaps it's the Washu family head. I always had my suspicions about the guy ever since we first saw him in part 1.

Think about it, being the head of the CCG means he knows Everything they do. He also has the pull to get exceptions added in the scanner thanks to V. Perhaps he is the One-Eyed King.

Regarding Armia, perhaps the strongest argument we can put forth for him being the OEK is the fact that he has repeatedly manhandled SS and SSS class ghouls without so much as a scratch on his person.

Kanon · 2016-03-10, 12:34

I'm starting to think the One-Eyed King isn't a person. He might be a more abstract concept, given what Eto said about him being "in your bellies".

Se7enSword · 2016-03-10, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm starting to think the One-Eyed King isn't a person. He might be a more abstract concept, given what Eto said about him being "in your bellies".

That could also mean someone from the inside.

Hk1117 · 2016-03-10, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm starting to think the One-Eyed King isn't a person. He might be a more abstract concept, given what Eto said about him being "in your bellies".

What if she meant it in a literal-abstract sense, and the OEK is someone "inside", like Se7enSword said?

It would have to be someone in a position of great power, who can dictate anyone to do what he needs them to do and they would not be able to refuse the order.

This brings me back to that creepy Washu family head from Part 1.

Akashin · 2016-03-10, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Se7enSword

That could also mean someone from the inside.

Not only this, but she says that in direct response to Furuta suggesting that the King could be nothing more than a symbolic entity, saying right before that that there definitely is a King.

I'm still leaning toward the theory that Kaneki is her pet project to become the OEK, though her telling him to kill the OEK throws a wrench in that (unless she's suggesting he kill himself, that is).

Hk1117 · 2016-03-12, 07:50

68 spoilers out

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Raviel · 2016-03-12, 09:04

Spoiler for spoilers:

Cosmic Eagle · 2016-03-12, 09:35

Lolwhut....I thought Eto actually liked her editor....can't imagine she'll let him being turned into dinner slide so easily...

konart · 2016-03-12, 09:49

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Lolwhut....I thought Eto actually liked her editor....can't imagine she'll let him being turned into dinner slide so easily...

Well, she looks sad. But what could she do about this while in prison?

Xero8420 · 2016-03-12, 09:54

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Kanon · 2016-03-12, 10:55

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Xero8420 · 2016-03-12, 11:15

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coded321 · 2016-03-12, 11:23

do you think arima will be defeated this arc? kaneki beat eto in the rose arc, which was quite unexpected, so why not beat arima?

LG-MAX 2.o · 2016-03-12, 11:32

Sasakineki vs Eto is a fight that you need to evaluate carefully, that was not a simple one-sided beating.

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Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	I'm starting to think the One-Eyed King isn't a person. He might be a more abstract concept, given what Eto said about him being "in your bellies". __________________

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Hk1117 Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: The Void.	68 spoilers out Spoiler: Kaneki frees Hinami and Ayato comes face to face with the Reaper himself. Also, Flashback to what happened in the sewers under the 20th ward in Part 1's end. Script from the usual source: “That S” Deep inside of Cochlea…! Eto: You are- She sees Furuta outside of her cell. Furuta: Don’t treat me so cruelly Sensei, you’ll hurt my feelings. Eto: I’m tired of talking to you… is there something up? Furuta: I’m your waiter today, and I have brought you dinner. Shiono-san.. he was a great editor wasn’t he? He hid the contents of “King Bileygr” until right before it was published. Of course, the CCG or Washuu family would have wanted to stop it if they had known. He also made sure that the book would be widely distributed. Eto: So you killed him? Furuta: I tried making him into pâté! He holds up a Tupperware container. Furuta: I made it out of his liver and stuff, so I hope you don’t mind…. eating a man’s cooking which is, you know… well, eat up. He pushes the Tupperware container into her cell. Eto: … thanks. Furuta: It was my pleasure. Suddenly, they hear the alarm rings out. Furuta: Oh my oh my, that’s bad. An accident? On purpose? I guess I will have to go now. He turns away from Eto to leave, then looks back over his shoulder. Furuta: By the way, did the voice recording work? The Higher Ups don’t know about it yet. Eto: … Furuta: I’m just wondering about it personally… well… I hope it all goes well. Say hi to your superior officers for me too. He leaves, and puts on a fake expression of concern. Eto looks at the pâté he gave her and looks unimpressed. Furuta goes to the jail warden’s room. Furuta: Mr. Warden! Wha.. what on earth is happening!? Haisaki: The containment cells have been opened. From Area 0 to Area 1. The division that houses all the ghouls that are A rate and below. A map shows that the further down you go in Cochlear, the more powerful the ghouls that are held there become. Furuta: Oh no… how did this happen!? Haisaki: If you wanna see for yourself, it’s on the camera screen. It’s him. Furuta sees that Kaneki is glaring at the security camera with a deadly expression. Furuta: Sasaki…. Associate Special Class… did it from the control room in the 2nd layer… Haisaki: In the end, I guess he’s siding with the “ghouls”. Haisaki turns and starts to make an announcement. Haisaki: Everyone listen- Associate Special Class Sasaki Haise is going around opening the jail cells, you must capture him. I repeat, you must capture Sasaki Haise. During this broadcast, the escaped ghouls see Kaneki. Random ghoul: You… aren’t you human…? Then, the circular roof of Cochlea begins to open. The circular roof of Cochlea begins to open. Jailers: O- oi! The canopy!! Wait… are there intruders too? Ayato leads the ghouls into battle. About 60 ghouls jump into the building. Ayato: Let’s go!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jailers : It’s Rabbit! Is it Aogiri!?!?! No, I don’t know! Who’s dealing with the open jail cells? Which should we deal with first? I don’t know, just start dealing with them here!! Surround him! A group of jailers surround Ayato. “He’s an Ukaku, so as long as we suppress him from all sides it’ll be easy!” However, Ayato jumps up and shoots all of them in one go. Ayato: Make sure you stay as close as possible to ward of an attack from above! Banjou: Ayato! Why did the alarm go off before we entered!? Ayato: … I don’t know who, but someone is going around and opening the jail cells. (At any rate, there’s no way we should waste this opportunity!) In that time, Kaneki is fighting off jailers. However, he is not killing them. He is pushing them away or breaking their guns. He works his way to the warden’s room and starts using the computer there. Kaneki: (The location of ghouls that are not being interviewed is only known to Cochlea employees… Where are you… Hurry, hurry, before he comes…) His head starts to hurt, and his vision becomes narrow and dark. Pain shoots through his head. Kaneki: (Shit! Not at a time like this…) He finally finds where Hinami is. Kaneki: (Third layer, 1.0… room 82) -Ayato Side- Ayato: Banjou! I’m leaving that side to you! Banjou: Aa! Ayato jumps down deeper into Cochlea. Ayato: (Second layer… Hinami… are you further on?) In front him, suddenly he sees lightning. Ayato: (Was that Narukami…!!??) He is saved from a direct hit by another ghoul. Ayato: Sorry! Thanks for your help! He looks up, and in front of him stands Arima. Ayato: Arima… Kishou… -Kaneki Side- Kaneki is walking along in the third layer. [Kaneki] [Kaneki… I….] Flashback to the sewer scene with Hide before Kaneki’s fight with Arima. Hide: … I want to save you. Eat me. Kaneki: Hide… what are you saying… Hide: There’s a dangerous man up ahead, and you can’t escape. You will …. lose to him. You may even die… so…. I want to show you that there’s value to your life. Please, fight once more with all you’ve got. Flashback ends. Kaneki: (…. Hide ………. I……….) He opens the door of Hinami’s cell. Kaneki: (just like you) Hinami-chan. Hinami: ….. big… brother? Kaneki (for the sake of someone else (in a cool way)) I’m sorry it took so long. We’re going to leave now. Kaneki: (I want to risk my life (I want to die)) Narration: The time is now.

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Raviel Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	Spoiler for spoilers: R.I.P in pieces Ayato, it was nice knowing you, I'm sure Banjou will inform Hinami about your valiant rescue attempt. Touka would be proud to know her brother died trying to accomplish something in life. You will be remembered. (o_o)7 Arima is going to have a brand new quinque soon

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Lolwhut....I thought Eto actually liked her editor....can't imagine she'll let him being turned into dinner slide so easily... __________________

2016-03-12, 09:54	Link #3656
Xero8420 Ashigara's master Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: A disclosed area off coast Ryuku Islands Age: 32	Spoiler: At last, I knew Kaneki will finally rescue Hinami-chan. RIP Ayato. You wouldn't stand a chance against Arima. Bad luck, boy. But it's nice knowing you. Hide's fate explained: He turned himself in to Kaneki, willingly. Oh boy, this is gonna be an intense chapter! Can't wait! Next time: Arima shows up in front of Kaneki: "I knew you would turn your back on me, eventually." Kaneki is facing certain death protecting Hinami Eto! Your hubby needs you now!

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Hk1117 Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: The Void.	WTH Kaneki, going manic again? Also, the question returns, "Who is the One-Eyed King?", huh. I suppose it's Arima now?

2016-03-12, 10:55	Link #3657
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	Spoiler: Now that's more like the Kaneki I know. Hide is the reason he's feeling so suicidal. He wants to die just like he did. Ayato is so screwed if Kaneki doesn't go save him (which he won't unless Hinami asks him to). __________________

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	do you think arima will be defeated this arc? kaneki beat eto in the rose arc, which was quite unexpected, so why not beat arima?

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LG-MAX 2.o Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	Sasakineki vs Eto is a fight that you need to evaluate carefully, that was not a simple one-sided beating.